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> In the months after the Lion Air crash, Boeing quietly worked to appease some customers, according to a person briefed on the matter. In several instances, it

> In the months after the Lion Air crash, Boeing quietly worked to appease some customers, according to a person briefed on the matter. In several instances, it activated the angle of attack indicator for free, which then turned on the disagree alert. Instead of activating the indicator for all customers, Boeing only activated it for customers that explicitly asked. Greedy until the end.

briandear 7y ago
Why didn’t airlines pay Boeing for the extra option to be turned on? Apparently they’re greedy until the end. That extra indicator software didn't write itself for free did it? Some engineer got paid to write that software right? So why should Boeing give it away? Airlines aren’t charities.
- village-idiot 7y ago
  At least Southwest thought that they had the AoA disagree light enabled, and they released a shockingly brutal press release calling Boeing liars over the issue. [0] Beyond that, critical safety features are not supposed to be charged add ons. If 10,000 extra people died because they didn’t pay for Ford’s airbags, who would be at fault? Now imagine that all of those people thought they had airbags because the steering wheel said “airbag” and the brochure talked about airbags, even though they were turned off by software. Who would you blame? 0: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/28/boeing-didnt-tell-southwest-that-safety-feature-on-737-max-was-turned-off-wsj.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/28/boeing-didnt-tell-southwest-...
- sl1ck731 7y ago
  Boeing believed they shipped it as a standard feature, and included it in the plane's the manual. They found out in 2017 that it wasn't working. After their shitty planes start falling out of the sky they turn it on for the loudest customers, keeping what was intended to be standard now a premium. Which part of this shitty behavior exactly are you trying to defend?
- Jonnax 7y ago
  Their scheme to generate some extra revenue resulted in hundreds of deaths. Why was a safety feature optional to begin with?
- SahAssar 7y ago
  If Boeing had told the airlines what the consequences of MCAS and not having the indicator could be they probably wouldn't have bought the plane. This is a clear case of shipping a different product than what was sold.
- lagadu 7y ago
  Had boeing mentioned that not having that feature frequently causes planes to crash and kill everyone onboard, I'm sure they would've bought it.

briandear 7y ago

Why didn’t airlines pay Boeing for the extra option to be turned on? Apparently they’re greedy until the end. That extra indicator software didn't write itself for free did it? Some engineer got paid to write that software right? So why should Boeing give it away? Airlines aren’t charities.

village-idiot 7y ago
At least Southwest thought that they had the AoA disagree light enabled, and they released a shockingly brutal press release calling Boeing liars over the issue. [0] Beyond that, critical safety features are not supposed to be charged add ons. If 10,000 extra people died because they didn’t pay for Ford’s airbags, who would be at fault? Now imagine that all of those people thought they had airbags because the steering wheel said “airbag” and the brochure talked about airbags, even though they were turned off by software. Who would you blame? 0: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/28/boeing-didnt-tell-southwest-that-safety-feature-on-737-max-was-turned-off-wsj.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/28/boeing-didnt-tell-southwest-...
sl1ck731 7y ago
Boeing believed they shipped it as a standard feature, and included it in the plane's the manual. They found out in 2017 that it wasn't working. After their shitty planes start falling out of the sky they turn it on for the loudest customers, keeping what was intended to be standard now a premium. Which part of this shitty behavior exactly are you trying to defend?
Jonnax 7y ago
Their scheme to generate some extra revenue resulted in hundreds of deaths. Why was a safety feature optional to begin with?
SahAssar 7y ago
If Boeing had told the airlines what the consequences of MCAS and not having the indicator could be they probably wouldn't have bought the plane. This is a clear case of shipping a different product than what was sold.
lagadu 7y ago
Had boeing mentioned that not having that feature frequently causes planes to crash and kill everyone onboard, I'm sure they would've bought it.