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Ask HN: I Got Deported from USA to Kenya

45 points by abdinba 7y ago

I was sent to Somalia when deported but came to Kenya thankful with a little bit of money from my mom to help me move out of Somalia. I'm homeless in Kenya. I would like to get into UK I have aunt that lives there anything I can do? I'm struggling I've lived in Seattle for 20 years now I'm living here I barely can find water to drink it's a different life that's for sure but I'm managing to survive. I made some mistakes in America that got me deported to this hell-hole. Any advice will help in how I can get into Europe or Canada.Please no negativity I've paid dearly for my mistakes. I got deported during trump administrations. I caught a Robbery . I updated it. from 2008. But I wasn't deported at the time of the charge I've had other misdemeanors like selling drugs and DUI recently which got me deported

gingabriska 7y ago
just out of curiousity if that's not a secret, what did you which got you deported?
- abdinba 7y ago
  Robbery . I updated it. from 2008. But I wasn't deported at the time of the charge I've had other misdemeanors like selling drugs recently which got me deported
  - erfgh 7y ago
    You're unlikely to get help.
jamisteven 7y ago
I dont think you'll be getting any advice here when you fail to mention what you did to get kicked out.
Ecko123 7y ago
Get some remote work and move to bangkok .
fragsworth 7y ago
Your "mistakes" matter, because depending on their severity, people will be more or less likely to help you.
LyndsySimon 7y ago
Out of curiosity, how did you come to be in the US, and at what age? What is your native nationality?
- abdinba 7y ago
  I came to US as a refugee left Somalia during war around 1992 I was young I'm 30 years old now.
  - leaveyou 7y ago
    Look on the positive side. You escaped a war, you got to see US in between and probably you got a better education than many Somalian kids. Just put it to good use and you'll be fine.
    - gridlockd 7y ago
      > ...you got a better education than many Somalian kids. Just put it to good use and you'll be fine. What do you base this incredibly questionable assumption on?
      - rmdashrfstar 7y ago
        Because it's Somalia? Don't act so incredulous when comparing a third world and first world country. He should use his likely very nice, first world education to improve the country he lives in. He already has been convicted of robbery and drug sales, so it's not like he was removed for an unfair reason. He had his shot and blew it.
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bbbobbb 7y ago
That's messed up. Deporting somebody who has been in the country since they were a kid to a place they might not know anything about seems pretty cruel, regardless of your criminal history. After 20 years, you should be dealt with like any other citizen (however shitty that might be in the US). On the other hand, I could see temporary deportation (with means to get back after some weeks / months) as an interesting punishment -> maybe realizing that not breaking the laws and working a shit job in the US beats scavenging for water in Africa.. Anyways, I have no advice for you, no idea what I would do in your position but I wish you luck.. hope you can get into UK or somewhere and start fresh.
- abdinba 7y ago
  that's my plan thank you.
- curiousgal 7y ago
  > beats scavenging for water in Africa. Beats scavenging for water in Kenya. This is a petpeeve of mine and for some reason I expected to see less of it on HN, not all of Africa is a hell hole where people have to scavenge for water. I know I'm beating a dead horse with the "Africa is not a country" saying but it ircks me to see that subconsciously not many people are making that distinction.
  - busymom0 7y ago
    OP themselves described where they currently are as "hell-hole" (OP's words).
    - curiousgal 7y ago
      Following the same logic, OP is on planet Earth then planet Earth is a hell-hole.
      - busymom0 7y ago
        Are you being dense on purpose? To quote OP directly: > I made some mistakes in America that got me deported to this hell-hole. OP couldn't be any more clearer by their current living situation and surroundings.
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s_dev 7y ago
This seems really odd for Hacker News. This isn't what the site is for -- besides theres little help available here because this could easily be a scam as are all "cries for help" on the Internet and mods should take it down.
- noobermin 7y ago
  There's no link to a cashapp or a paypal so how could it be a scam? A scam to extort advice from users?
  - busymom0 7y ago
    Not saying OP is a scammer but scams aren't that simple to figure out. For all we know, OP could be hoping someone would contact them with kindness of their heart and sent them money or some other resource. This could also be a long con.
- rlt 7y ago
  Yeah I have to agree. It would be one thing if the poster were a known member of the HN community, or any adjacent community, but it's a brand new account. I don't think this kind of posting is sustainable.
  - xky 7y ago
    It's possible this person is known to the HN community but would prefer to keep their identity private for this question however I agree with your sentiment, these posts should only be accepted in exceptional circumstances. There are other, perhaps even more beneficial places to ask for this kind of help. I would genuinely like to know more about how this person is connected to this community or how they discovered it and what they thought this community in particular could assist with. Could you address that OP?
    - gus_massa 7y ago
      His brother posted a message 29 days ago. I don't expect both to be regular users hiding their identity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19592367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19592367
cs_advice 7y ago
You might try to enroll on an university degree, like bachelor or master. In many universities of Europe is free or like 200€ per year/semester. Then you can apply to accommodation aids and even other kind of aids for food etc. Start a new life from zero, learning a job, also working (there are student jobs and also the traditional jobs). Luxembourg (where I'am right now) is pretty good for that, there are plenty of opportunities, you'll also be fine only speaking english. Learning languages here is also almost free. Try to look something like that. Other interesting cities for that are Maastricht (netherlands) or maybe in Germany. Good luck.
- cylinder 7y ago
  He is probably inadmissible to most of the EU with robbery and drug sales convictions. OP what is your professional background? Any connection to IT / tech?
  - sparkling 7y ago
    Tons of convicted murders and rapist living happily within the EU and not being deported because they would face unfair trial in their home country. Once he gets into the EU the chances of being deported can be brought down to nearly 0%.
    - cylinder 7y ago
      Only way will be to walk or swim into Europe. He won't be issued a visa. How exactly will he do this?
      - badpun 7y ago
        The walk or swim (come on a tiny boat) was an option exercised successfully by milions in the past decade or two, the only problem is that after you get in, you're an illegal alien. You can pretend to be a refugee (also an option sucessfully exercised by many), but it's a gamble and it may not work - however, if they decide you're not a refugee, in most cases they'll just let you roam the Europe freely (they don't deport people back to their home countries for the most part), but you won't be able to get a legal job.
jayalpha 7y ago
OMG. Come to Germany. No visa needed and you get immediately shelter, food, money, health insurance... Can pick random name, age, heritage and gender. Great deal!
DKnoll 7y ago
With a criminal record it will be extremely difficult to get a visa, let alone residency, in Canada or the UK. You would need to get a pardon, wait like a decade from the time of your last conviction or find some other way to prove your rehabilitation. Those are pretty serious offenses and countries don't want to import liabilities.
ackidacki 7y ago
Its highly unlikely you'll get to the UK as you have a record which will be visible to the UK authorities & fail the character test. If you apply i'd also advise you not to try and hide it as it would worsen the situation. Have you considered Nairobi, it is quite a nice place and far from "hell hole". You would not have much trouble accessing it and it has a relatively good standard of life, good jobs and prospects.
pewpewpew777 7y ago
You made some bad choices - that's unfortunate. If you can't bring yourself to America or Europe - you should bring some America to Kenya. Lead by example - find the water, don't rob it, and teach newly arrived deportees how to stay hydrated. As your group of stateless friends continues to grow - so too does your ability to positively impact your new Kenyan environment. Remember -- life has brought you to this moment for a reason. Make the best of it. Make peace with being in Africa. Raise up your neighbors and together build for the future.
- noobermin 7y ago
  You either watch too much TV/shows or have never lived on your own. This is a ridiculous suggestion to anyone.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    > This is a ridiculous suggestion to anyone. It's pretty much the ordinary job description of a missionary.
  - xky 7y ago
    Why is this a ridiculous suggestion and would you propose something else?
    - noobermin 7y ago
      Americans don't do well because they have good education and a good work ethic, they do well because the society around them have a good education and people with a good work ethic. You can't drop an individual in the middle of nowhere and expect them to thrive easily. Tbh, I don't know what to suggest other than to try to find work and figure out a way to survive. What else can one do? Making a commune on the other hand sounds ridiculous when he probably can't even speak the local language.
      - xky 7y ago
        Thanks for elaborating. I think the sentiment of the original post is good but your suggestions are more reasonable and practical.
samisamisami 7y ago
So you had it all, but blew it by robbing and selling drugs. Now why would you think any country would be willing to accept criminals like you inside it's borders?
- xky 7y ago
  This comes across as a mean comment. Was that your intention?
  - onlydeadheroes 7y ago
    His intention was to comment. The world is not a child's cartoon, there's mean things I can't imagine why you like to pretend there aren't.
    - ZeroFries 7y ago
      Using "well the world sucks" is a very poor excuse to justify sucky behaviour.
      - onlydeadheroes 7y ago
        "comes across as a mean comment" is different from sucky behaviour. Your feelings are not that important.
ndury 7y ago
I think you're better off trying to ask for information/help here https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/ https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/ rather than on HN. Good luck
- xky 7y ago
  This seems like a much better course of action OP.
dazhbog 7y ago
What is your skill set? Try and get to a sustainable position as soon as possible (stable monthly money for a roof and food. No drugs). Maybe it involves going to another area or a nearby country. Maybe it involves getting a shitty job for a while. As other said, it will be hard to get a visa for a while, so you will need to think if you should stay in Kenya or not. Work your ass for at least 5-8 years and maybe u can get a residency there + a paper that says that u have a clean record in that country. If things go well in Kenya, and you are stable for 7ish years u can apply for a citizenship. Once you are a citizen of Kenya (or any country you can have a stable life with no crime) you can try and change your name and get a clean criminal record certificate on that name. Then you can think of attempting to apply for visas. Also once you have food and roof, I would suggest checking the online freelancer route. Making money online might be a good way to bump up your income while working locally, and with more money, more doors will open for you. Also online, people won't really care about your criminal record. Good luck, and I hope you stay away from crime while attempting to get a job.
MkeiR 7y ago
Stop crying. You got what you deserved. This is pathetic. Playing victim status while having committed robbery and sales of drugs is hypocritical. There are a lot of immigrants who went to the states and made a honest living without resorting to crimininal behaviour. Unfortunately, there are countries in Europe where immigrant criminals are handled with "care" and not deported https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5530867/Afghan-murdered-EU-officials-daughter-jailed-life-Germany.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5530867/Afghan-murd... Perhaps, Europe should start reporting immigrants who display even the slightest criminal behaviour.
vfinn 7y ago
Well, if you have no money, you could try selling your story. If you contact the right people, you could make several hundreds of dollars. Publicity might eventually lead to help. Learn from your mistakes, and become a trustworthy person. Then you will have friends and a future.
albertgoeswoof 7y ago
So much apathy in this thread. This guy came to the US as a child (3 years old!), was educated in the US, became a criminal in the US, committed all his crimes in the US and the USA’s answer to this is to deport him? Come on, the USA made the criminal and they should deal with him. Why should Somalia or Kenya have him on their streets? They didn’t turn a 3 year old into a criminal. You shouldn’t be able to send your criminals to another country. @OP, I would talk to a journalist as there’s a story here. You may then be able to get pro bono legal advice to have your original deportation thrown out, or perhaps the ability to claim asylum as you should be able to.
- RickJWagner 7y ago
  The USA made him a criminal? I completely disagree. The USA has many people with similar stories who did not become criminals and who were not forcibly deported. This guy made some bad choices. I'd think he'd prefer Kenya to prison.
  - ZeroFries 7y ago
    Many people can live in smog and not develop lung issues. That doesn't mean those responsible for smog shouldn't also be responsible for the people who do develop lung issues from it.
- DanBC 7y ago
  > So much apathy in this thread. It's not apathy, it's realism. People living in the UK are aware of the hostile environment created by government around immigration. This phrase, "hostile environment", isn't spin created by opposition. It's the official term. OP has no chance of legally moving to the UK. It would be cruel to give them false hope.
- badpun 7y ago
  > Come on, the USA made the criminal and they should deal with him. Why should Somalia or Kenya have him on their streets? The situation is perfectly symmetrical, i.e. if a US-born child was illegally moved to Kenya at 3 years of age and became a criminal later in his life, Kenya can also just send him back to the US.
_Chief 7y ago
I don't appreciate your calling Kenya a hell-hole, after it gave you refugee shelter from Somalia. After your criminal activity in the United States, I doubt the UK or even Kenyan authorities would allow you such status.
thesaint 7y ago
How about moving back to Somalia? Why do you think european or UK tax payers should look after you? How about getting any job in the meantime? As a criminal who often gets caught it might work out better..
sparkling 7y ago
> Any advice will help in how I can get into Europe or Canada.Please no negativity I've paid dearly for my mistakes. A german right-wing army member managed to get official asylum status faking to be a syrian refugee despite not speaking a single word of arabic. So if your question is where are you most likely not gonna get caught due to goverment incompetence and lack of law enforcement, i'd suggest Germany. Enjoy.
mattlondon 7y ago
Looks like you will need a work visa for the UK - I don't think an aunt will work for a UK family visa: see https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa and https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa This usually means you are a "skilled worker" and usually already have a job offer. There is a lot of pressure in the UK to prove that there is no one already in the UK able to do the work before a visa is possible (from what I understand - not an expert) Your criminal past will be a problem whatever visa you go for though - robbery and selling drugs are not exactly something that is going to work in your favour. Some details here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/criminal-record-certificate-requirement https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/criminal-record-c... The mood in the UK is quite anti-immigration at the moment. Both from politicians and a large part of the public outside of the major cities (due to Brexit). I am pro-immigration and I can empathise with your position and situation, but I'm sorry to say that even I would personally not be comfortable with someone with your criminal record (who has already been deported from one country because of their criminality) being allowed to come and live in the UK just because you have an aunt that lives here. Good luck.
- badpun 7y ago
  > The mood in the UK is quite anti-immigration at the moment. Both from politicians and a large part of the public outside of the major cities (due to Brexit). It's the other way around - the politicians and brexit are merely reflecting the anti-immigration mood that people have, and have had in the past.
  - mattlondon 7y ago
    Quite right - I did not make myself clear. Brexit is the manifestation of the simmering discontent (rightly or wrongly) with immigration.
fsloth 7y ago
Kenya seems like a very liveable country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya Are you legally there? Describing Kenya as a "hell-hole" sounds like a bit of a stretch. Although I do understand it's not nice to be homeless anywhere. "I would like to get into UK I have aunt that lives there" You are 30 years old. Why would you need any help from relatives? Take ownership of your life. Don't put as your life goal to find the next shoulder to lean on. I know it's hard to be physically separated from your family and friends and everyone you knew. But it's your life.
abdinba 7y ago
Why didn't I get some prison time at least instead of just sending me to a place I know nothing about? I lived in the US For 20 years for Godsakes trump is Evil person. Are there any journalists I can tell my story too I'm stranded in a country I don't know 1 thing about. I think the way I was deported was Illegal too I went to county jail for a few days for some misdemeanor crimes and got hurried up into a plane out of no where heading to Somalia and just dropped in the middle of no where.
- hackermailman 7y ago
  Canada and Australia also deport gangsters or career offenders back to India, Iraq and Somalia all the time who grew up here this is a common practice no journo would be interested in. Only way out is through education at this point. At least you can stay in Mombasa which is a pretty good city as way as developing countries go.
wnkrshm 7y ago
Are there any locals here that can shed some light on the Kenyan economy / job market? All I've done is to read a little bit from cursory googling but I'd be interested in what it's like and what the chances for an early 30s foreigner are, for bootstrapping themselves. I wouldn't even know what to do in my own country, except try to acquire as high an education as I can manage while working (vocational training, parallel Bsc or something). If I get through the application process at that age. From what I read in 15 minutes, the job market for white collar jobs in Kenya seems to be oversaturated and companies can pick from the mass of graduates. Yet skilled manual labor is something that I've read is lacking in training for specialist technical jobs, like plumbing, electrical installation, welding.

45 points by abdinba 7y ago

gingabriska 7y ago

just out of curiousity if that's not a secret, what did you which got you deported?

abdinba 7y ago
Robbery . I updated it. from 2008. But I wasn't deported at the time of the charge I've had other misdemeanors like selling drugs recently which got me deported
- erfgh 7y ago
  You're unlikely to get help.

jamisteven 7y ago

I dont think you'll be getting any advice here when you fail to mention what you did to get kicked out.

Ecko123 7y ago

Get some remote work and move to bangkok .

fragsworth 7y ago

Your "mistakes" matter, because depending on their severity, people will be more or less likely to help you.

LyndsySimon 7y ago

Out of curiosity, how did you come to be in the US, and at what age? What is your native nationality?

abdinba 7y ago
I came to US as a refugee left Somalia during war around 1992 I was young I'm 30 years old now.
- leaveyou 7y ago
  Look on the positive side. You escaped a war, you got to see US in between and probably you got a better education than many Somalian kids. Just put it to good use and you'll be fine.
  - gridlockd 7y ago
    > ...you got a better education than many Somalian kids. Just put it to good use and you'll be fine. What do you base this incredibly questionable assumption on?
    - rmdashrfstar 7y ago
      Because it's Somalia? Don't act so incredulous when comparing a third world and first world country. He should use his likely very nice, first world education to improve the country he lives in. He already has been convicted of robbery and drug sales, so it's not like he was removed for an unfair reason. He had his shot and blew it.
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bbbobbb 7y ago

That's messed up. Deporting somebody who has been in the country since they were a kid to a place they might not know anything about seems pretty cruel, regardless of your criminal history. After 20 years, you should be dealt with like any other citizen (however shitty that might be in the US). On the other hand, I could see temporary deportation (with means to get back after some weeks / months) as an interesting punishment -> maybe realizing that not breaking the laws and working a shit job in the US beats scavenging for water in Africa.. Anyways, I have no advice for you, no idea what I would do in your position but I wish you luck.. hope you can get into UK or somewhere and start fresh.

abdinba 7y ago
that's my plan thank you.
curiousgal 7y ago
> beats scavenging for water in Africa. Beats scavenging for water in Kenya. This is a petpeeve of mine and for some reason I expected to see less of it on HN, not all of Africa is a hell hole where people have to scavenge for water. I know I'm beating a dead horse with the "Africa is not a country" saying but it ircks me to see that subconsciously not many people are making that distinction.
- busymom0 7y ago
  OP themselves described where they currently are as "hell-hole" (OP's words).
  - curiousgal 7y ago
    Following the same logic, OP is on planet Earth then planet Earth is a hell-hole.
    - busymom0 7y ago
      Are you being dense on purpose? To quote OP directly: > I made some mistakes in America that got me deported to this hell-hole. OP couldn't be any more clearer by their current living situation and surroundings.

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s_dev 7y ago

This seems really odd for Hacker News. This isn't what the site is for -- besides theres little help available here because this could easily be a scam as are all "cries for help" on the Internet and mods should take it down.

noobermin 7y ago
There's no link to a cashapp or a paypal so how could it be a scam? A scam to extort advice from users?
- busymom0 7y ago
  Not saying OP is a scammer but scams aren't that simple to figure out. For all we know, OP could be hoping someone would contact them with kindness of their heart and sent them money or some other resource. This could also be a long con.
rlt 7y ago
Yeah I have to agree. It would be one thing if the poster were a known member of the HN community, or any adjacent community, but it's a brand new account. I don't think this kind of posting is sustainable.
- xky 7y ago
  It's possible this person is known to the HN community but would prefer to keep their identity private for this question however I agree with your sentiment, these posts should only be accepted in exceptional circumstances. There are other, perhaps even more beneficial places to ask for this kind of help. I would genuinely like to know more about how this person is connected to this community or how they discovered it and what they thought this community in particular could assist with. Could you address that OP?
  - gus_massa 7y ago
    His brother posted a message 29 days ago. I don't expect both to be regular users hiding their identity https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19592367 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19592367

cs_advice 7y ago

You might try to enroll on an university degree, like bachelor or master. In many universities of Europe is free or like 200€ per year/semester. Then you can apply to accommodation aids and even other kind of aids for food etc. Start a new life from zero, learning a job, also working (there are student jobs and also the traditional jobs). Luxembourg (where I'am right now) is pretty good for that, there are plenty of opportunities, you'll also be fine only speaking english. Learning languages here is also almost free. Try to look something like that. Other interesting cities for that are Maastricht (netherlands) or maybe in Germany. Good luck.

cylinder 7y ago
He is probably inadmissible to most of the EU with robbery and drug sales convictions. OP what is your professional background? Any connection to IT / tech?
- sparkling 7y ago
  Tons of convicted murders and rapist living happily within the EU and not being deported because they would face unfair trial in their home country. Once he gets into the EU the chances of being deported can be brought down to nearly 0%.
  - cylinder 7y ago
    Only way will be to walk or swim into Europe. He won't be issued a visa. How exactly will he do this?
    - badpun 7y ago
      The walk or swim (come on a tiny boat) was an option exercised successfully by milions in the past decade or two, the only problem is that after you get in, you're an illegal alien. You can pretend to be a refugee (also an option sucessfully exercised by many), but it's a gamble and it may not work - however, if they decide you're not a refugee, in most cases they'll just let you roam the Europe freely (they don't deport people back to their home countries for the most part), but you won't be able to get a legal job.

jayalpha 7y ago

OMG. Come to Germany. No visa needed and you get immediately shelter, food, money, health insurance... Can pick random name, age, heritage and gender. Great deal!

DKnoll 7y ago

With a criminal record it will be extremely difficult to get a visa, let alone residency, in Canada or the UK. You would need to get a pardon, wait like a decade from the time of your last conviction or find some other way to prove your rehabilitation. Those are pretty serious offenses and countries don't want to import liabilities.

ackidacki 7y ago

Its highly unlikely you'll get to the UK as you have a record which will be visible to the UK authorities & fail the character test. If you apply i'd also advise you not to try and hide it as it would worsen the situation. Have you considered Nairobi, it is quite a nice place and far from "hell hole". You would not have much trouble accessing it and it has a relatively good standard of life, good jobs and prospects.

pewpewpew777 7y ago

You made some bad choices - that's unfortunate. If you can't bring yourself to America or Europe - you should bring some America to Kenya. Lead by example - find the water, don't rob it, and teach newly arrived deportees how to stay hydrated. As your group of stateless friends continues to grow - so too does your ability to positively impact your new Kenyan environment. Remember -- life has brought you to this moment for a reason. Make the best of it. Make peace with being in Africa. Raise up your neighbors and together build for the future.

noobermin 7y ago
You either watch too much TV/shows or have never lived on your own. This is a ridiculous suggestion to anyone.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  > This is a ridiculous suggestion to anyone. It's pretty much the ordinary job description of a missionary.
- xky 7y ago
  Why is this a ridiculous suggestion and would you propose something else?
  - noobermin 7y ago
    Americans don't do well because they have good education and a good work ethic, they do well because the society around them have a good education and people with a good work ethic. You can't drop an individual in the middle of nowhere and expect them to thrive easily. Tbh, I don't know what to suggest other than to try to find work and figure out a way to survive. What else can one do? Making a commune on the other hand sounds ridiculous when he probably can't even speak the local language.
    - xky 7y ago
      Thanks for elaborating. I think the sentiment of the original post is good but your suggestions are more reasonable and practical.

samisamisami 7y ago

So you had it all, but blew it by robbing and selling drugs. Now why would you think any country would be willing to accept criminals like you inside it's borders?

xky 7y ago
This comes across as a mean comment. Was that your intention?
- onlydeadheroes 7y ago
  His intention was to comment. The world is not a child's cartoon, there's mean things I can't imagine why you like to pretend there aren't.
  - ZeroFries 7y ago
    Using "well the world sucks" is a very poor excuse to justify sucky behaviour.
    - onlydeadheroes 7y ago
      "comes across as a mean comment" is different from sucky behaviour. Your feelings are not that important.

ndury 7y ago

I think you're better off trying to ask for information/help here https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/ https://www.reddit.com/r/immigration/ rather than on HN. Good luck

xky 7y ago
This seems like a much better course of action OP.

dazhbog 7y ago

What is your skill set? Try and get to a sustainable position as soon as possible (stable monthly money for a roof and food. No drugs). Maybe it involves going to another area or a nearby country. Maybe it involves getting a shitty job for a while. As other said, it will be hard to get a visa for a while, so you will need to think if you should stay in Kenya or not. Work your ass for at least 5-8 years and maybe u can get a residency there + a paper that says that u have a clean record in that country. If things go well in Kenya, and you are stable for 7ish years u can apply for a citizenship. Once you are a citizen of Kenya (or any country you can have a stable life with no crime) you can try and change your name and get a clean criminal record certificate on that name. Then you can think of attempting to apply for visas. Also once you have food and roof, I would suggest checking the online freelancer route. Making money online might be a good way to bump up your income while working locally, and with more money, more doors will open for you. Also online, people won't really care about your criminal record. Good luck, and I hope you stay away from crime while attempting to get a job.

MkeiR 7y ago

Stop crying. You got what you deserved. This is pathetic. Playing victim status while having committed robbery and sales of drugs is hypocritical. There are a lot of immigrants who went to the states and made a honest living without resorting to crimininal behaviour. Unfortunately, there are countries in Europe where immigrant criminals are handled with "care" and not deported https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5530867/Afghan-murdered-EU-officials-daughter-jailed-life-Germany.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5530867/Afghan-murd... Perhaps, Europe should start reporting immigrants who display even the slightest criminal behaviour.

vfinn 7y ago

Well, if you have no money, you could try selling your story. If you contact the right people, you could make several hundreds of dollars. Publicity might eventually lead to help. Learn from your mistakes, and become a trustworthy person. Then you will have friends and a future.

albertgoeswoof 7y ago

So much apathy in this thread. This guy came to the US as a child (3 years old!), was educated in the US, became a criminal in the US, committed all his crimes in the US and the USA’s answer to this is to deport him? Come on, the USA made the criminal and they should deal with him. Why should Somalia or Kenya have him on their streets? They didn’t turn a 3 year old into a criminal. You shouldn’t be able to send your criminals to another country. @OP, I would talk to a journalist as there’s a story here. You may then be able to get pro bono legal advice to have your original deportation thrown out, or perhaps the ability to claim asylum as you should be able to.

RickJWagner 7y ago
The USA made him a criminal? I completely disagree. The USA has many people with similar stories who did not become criminals and who were not forcibly deported. This guy made some bad choices. I'd think he'd prefer Kenya to prison.
- ZeroFries 7y ago
  Many people can live in smog and not develop lung issues. That doesn't mean those responsible for smog shouldn't also be responsible for the people who do develop lung issues from it.
DanBC 7y ago
> So much apathy in this thread. It's not apathy, it's realism. People living in the UK are aware of the hostile environment created by government around immigration. This phrase, "hostile environment", isn't spin created by opposition. It's the official term. OP has no chance of legally moving to the UK. It would be cruel to give them false hope.
badpun 7y ago
> Come on, the USA made the criminal and they should deal with him. Why should Somalia or Kenya have him on their streets? The situation is perfectly symmetrical, i.e. if a US-born child was illegally moved to Kenya at 3 years of age and became a criminal later in his life, Kenya can also just send him back to the US.

_Chief 7y ago

I don't appreciate your calling Kenya a hell-hole, after it gave you refugee shelter from Somalia. After your criminal activity in the United States, I doubt the UK or even Kenyan authorities would allow you such status.

thesaint 7y ago

How about moving back to Somalia? Why do you think european or UK tax payers should look after you? How about getting any job in the meantime? As a criminal who often gets caught it might work out better..

sparkling 7y ago

> Any advice will help in how I can get into Europe or Canada.Please no negativity I've paid dearly for my mistakes. A german right-wing army member managed to get official asylum status faking to be a syrian refugee despite not speaking a single word of arabic. So if your question is where are you most likely not gonna get caught due to goverment incompetence and lack of law enforcement, i'd suggest Germany. Enjoy.

mattlondon 7y ago

Looks like you will need a work visa for the UK - I don't think an aunt will work for a UK family visa: see https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa https://www.gov.uk/uk-family-visa and https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa This usually means you are a "skilled worker" and usually already have a job offer. There is a lot of pressure in the UK to prove that there is no one already in the UK able to do the work before a visa is possible (from what I understand - not an expert) Your criminal past will be a problem whatever visa you go for though - robbery and selling drugs are not exactly something that is going to work in your favour. Some details here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/criminal-record-certificate-requirement https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/criminal-record-c... The mood in the UK is quite anti-immigration at the moment. Both from politicians and a large part of the public outside of the major cities (due to Brexit). I am pro-immigration and I can empathise with your position and situation, but I'm sorry to say that even I would personally not be comfortable with someone with your criminal record (who has already been deported from one country because of their criminality) being allowed to come and live in the UK just because you have an aunt that lives here. Good luck.

badpun 7y ago
> The mood in the UK is quite anti-immigration at the moment. Both from politicians and a large part of the public outside of the major cities (due to Brexit). It's the other way around - the politicians and brexit are merely reflecting the anti-immigration mood that people have, and have had in the past.
- mattlondon 7y ago
  Quite right - I did not make myself clear. Brexit is the manifestation of the simmering discontent (rightly or wrongly) with immigration.

fsloth 7y ago

Kenya seems like a very liveable country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya Are you legally there? Describing Kenya as a "hell-hole" sounds like a bit of a stretch. Although I do understand it's not nice to be homeless anywhere. "I would like to get into UK I have aunt that lives there" You are 30 years old. Why would you need any help from relatives? Take ownership of your life. Don't put as your life goal to find the next shoulder to lean on. I know it's hard to be physically separated from your family and friends and everyone you knew. But it's your life.

abdinba 7y ago

Why didn't I get some prison time at least instead of just sending me to a place I know nothing about? I lived in the US For 20 years for Godsakes trump is Evil person. Are there any journalists I can tell my story too I'm stranded in a country I don't know 1 thing about. I think the way I was deported was Illegal too I went to county jail for a few days for some misdemeanor crimes and got hurried up into a plane out of no where heading to Somalia and just dropped in the middle of no where.

hackermailman 7y ago
Canada and Australia also deport gangsters or career offenders back to India, Iraq and Somalia all the time who grew up here this is a common practice no journo would be interested in. Only way out is through education at this point. At least you can stay in Mombasa which is a pretty good city as way as developing countries go.

wnkrshm 7y ago

Are there any locals here that can shed some light on the Kenyan economy / job market? All I've done is to read a little bit from cursory googling but I'd be interested in what it's like and what the chances for an early 30s foreigner are, for bootstrapping themselves. I wouldn't even know what to do in my own country, except try to acquire as high an education as I can manage while working (vocational training, parallel Bsc or something). If I get through the application process at that age. From what I read in 15 minutes, the job market for white collar jobs in Kenya seems to be oversaturated and companies can pick from the mass of graduates. Yet skilled manual labor is something that I've read is lacking in training for specialist technical jobs, like plumbing, electrical installation, welding.