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I gather it could be indefinite detention. Say 5 hour detention then they ask again. Then detention again. Repeat. I think a couple days is good enough because

by Joakal 7y ago

I gather it could be indefinite detention. Say 5 hour detention then they ask again. Then detention again. Repeat. I think a couple days is good enough because people will miss holidays, work, plans etc. That's Western nations "torture" equivalent of a wrench

stale2002 7y ago
> . Say 5 hour detention then they ask again. Then detention again. Repeat. Ok, and does this happen in real life? The answer is no. It does not. In almost any western country in the world, the low paid border security guards are not detaining people in mass for days on end. This stuff just isn't really happening to any large degree.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  You can go to jail for years in the UK for refusing to disclose a password to law enforcement.[0] [0] https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/09/04/how-refusing-to-give-police-your-facebook-password-can-lead-to-prison/ https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/09/04/how-refusing-to-...
  - stale2002 7y ago
    And how often does that happen, in real life? The answer is "not that often". The example you gave was of someone who was suspected of murder. The amount of people who are in the population of "people suspected of murder, and are jailed for not giving up their password", is a very small population size.
    - Mirioron 7y ago
      So as long as the government makes a pinky promise to never use their power elsewhere it's okay? Think at least a little about the future. They might be doing it now for a good cause, but how long is that going to last? There's nothing stopping them from jailing anybody who refuses to give up their password, because what's jailable is the act of not giving up your password.
      - stale2002 7y ago
        > So as long as the government makes a pinky promise to never use their power elsewhere it's okay? I never made any claims about what is or it is not OK. The only claim that I am making is that this whole "XKCD wrench meme" is dumb, and that encryption actually works really well for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of usecases. That's all. Encryption works, and you are not going to be tortured, or locked up forever, because you refused the order of a low paid border guard. Such situations are extremely rare, and it is annoying that people keep bringing them up when they basically don't happen to anyone.

by Joakal 7y ago

stale2002 7y ago

> . Say 5 hour detention then they ask again. Then detention again. Repeat. Ok, and does this happen in real life? The answer is no. It does not. In almost any western country in the world, the low paid border security guards are not detaining people in mass for days on end. This stuff just isn't really happening to any large degree.

Mirioron 7y ago
You can go to jail for years in the UK for refusing to disclose a password to law enforcement.[0] [0] https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/09/04/how-refusing-to-give-police-your-facebook-password-can-lead-to-prison/ https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/09/04/how-refusing-to-...
- stale2002 7y ago
  And how often does that happen, in real life? The answer is "not that often". The example you gave was of someone who was suspected of murder. The amount of people who are in the population of "people suspected of murder, and are jailed for not giving up their password", is a very small population size.
  - Mirioron 7y ago
    So as long as the government makes a pinky promise to never use their power elsewhere it's okay? Think at least a little about the future. They might be doing it now for a good cause, but how long is that going to last? There's nothing stopping them from jailing anybody who refuses to give up their password, because what's jailable is the act of not giving up your password.
    - stale2002 7y ago
      > So as long as the government makes a pinky promise to never use their power elsewhere it's okay? I never made any claims about what is or it is not OK. The only claim that I am making is that this whole "XKCD wrench meme" is dumb, and that encryption actually works really well for the vast majority of people in the vast majority of usecases. That's all. Encryption works, and you are not going to be tortured, or locked up forever, because you refused the order of a low paid border guard. Such situations are extremely rare, and it is annoying that people keep bringing them up when they basically don't happen to anyone.