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There is still a lot of cheap housing in the USA. It's just not in the bay area anymore.

by m1sta_ 7y ago

jgalt212 7y ago
True, but unless you are a doctor, high wage jobs are few and far between in cheap cost of living areas. Perhaps, that's why they are cheap to live in. :)
ip26 7y ago
I grew up in the bay, and I definitely did not understand this until I left. I generalized my life experience to the whole country.
paulddraper 7y ago
I bought my first house in 2015 in Utah, about 20 min from downtown Salt Lake City. Was not anything special. 1976 construction, 2000 sqft, 0.2 acre, 5 bed, 3 bath, 2 car garage, average condition, just under $200k. Glassdoor average salary for "Software Engineer" (not Senior, etc.) in Salt Lake is currently $89k, 14% less than national average. [1] Single-income house ownership is extremely common here. [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/salt-lake-city-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,14_IM755_KO15,32.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/salt-lake-city-software-e...
- throwawayjava 7y ago
  Mid-tier cities give a lot of bang for your buck -- Salt Lake, Phoenix, the midwestern midsized cities (Cleveland, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Pittsburgh), Atlanta, etc. Even Portland compared to other coastal options. And even in some of the "very expensive" housing markets, you can still find homes that are affordable relative to income within 40 minutes of downtown areas. Chicago and Boston both come to mind. The primary differences, as far as I can tell, are that: 1) Niche senior positions are harder to find in cheaper cities (think "deep hard tech expertise"). For example, nearly all of the major corporate research labs in CS (MSR, Google Brain, Google Research, IBM Research, Oracle Labs, ...) are in or around expensive CoL areas. On the startup side, "hard tech" startups are very often more capital-intensive so are even more attracted to geographic VC bubbles. 2) Moving up within BigCos is sometimes more difficult if you're in a satellite office.
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    True on both points. Google, Amazon and Microsoft don't have any sort of engineering presence in Utah. Though Adobe is majorly expanding here. And operationally, Facebook is adding a huge data center.
heavyset_go 7y ago
Cheap housing exists in areas of low-to-negative growth. As in, those who got out did and those who can get out will in order to find better jobs and a higher quality of life.

There is still a lot of cheap housing in the USA. It's just not in the bay area anymore.

by m1sta_ 7y ago

There is still a lot of cheap housing in the USA. It's just not in the bay area anymore.

True, but unless you are a doctor, high wage jobs are few and far between in cheap cost of living areas. Perhaps, that's why they are cheap to live in. :)

ip26 7y ago

I grew up in the bay, and I definitely did not understand this until I left. I generalized my life experience to the whole country.

paulddraper 7y ago

I bought my first house in 2015 in Utah, about 20 min from downtown Salt Lake City. Was not anything special. 1976 construction, 2000 sqft, 0.2 acre, 5 bed, 3 bath, 2 car garage, average condition, just under $200k. Glassdoor average salary for "Software Engineer" (not Senior, etc.) in Salt Lake is currently $89k, 14% less than national average. [1] Single-income house ownership is extremely common here. [1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/salt-lake-city-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,14_IM755_KO15,32.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/salt-lake-city-software-e...

throwawayjava 7y ago
Mid-tier cities give a lot of bang for your buck -- Salt Lake, Phoenix, the midwestern midsized cities (Cleveland, St. Louis, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Pittsburgh), Atlanta, etc. Even Portland compared to other coastal options. And even in some of the "very expensive" housing markets, you can still find homes that are affordable relative to income within 40 minutes of downtown areas. Chicago and Boston both come to mind. The primary differences, as far as I can tell, are that: 1) Niche senior positions are harder to find in cheaper cities (think "deep hard tech expertise"). For example, nearly all of the major corporate research labs in CS (MSR, Google Brain, Google Research, IBM Research, Oracle Labs, ...) are in or around expensive CoL areas. On the startup side, "hard tech" startups are very often more capital-intensive so are even more attracted to geographic VC bubbles. 2) Moving up within BigCos is sometimes more difficult if you're in a satellite office.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  True on both points. Google, Amazon and Microsoft don't have any sort of engineering presence in Utah. Though Adobe is majorly expanding here. And operationally, Facebook is adding a huge data center.

heavyset_go 7y ago

Cheap housing exists in areas of low-to-negative growth. As in, those who got out did and those who can get out will in order to find better jobs and a higher quality of life.