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Well I think that’s probably because there are a lot of very vocal people who seem to think that negative feedback must mean you’re a short seller and take that

Well I think that’s probably because there are a lot of very vocal people who seem to think that negative feedback must mean you’re a short seller and take that as permission to engage non-constructively. Disclaimer: I also want Tesla to succeed

gumby 7y ago
Interesting, as it feels to me like people take anything positive about that company as gospel. Disclaimer: I don't give a fig either way whether the company succeeds or fails though I have a very hard time understanding how they can ever maintain their mkt cap.
- scarface74 7y ago
  I’m for almost any company succeeding that doesn’t cause a lot of negative externalities and whose business model is you give them money and they give you stuff where in exchange for me getting a produce of value, they can be a profitable on going concern.
- PButtNutter 7y ago
  The media in general hypes up Tesla way more than any other automaker. Like every Tesla crash makes headlines. Name any other automaker that faces the same scrutiny.
  - wpietri 7y ago
    The media is the one who hypes up Tesla? Musk has pursued an strategy that's built around very aggressive PR. This gives him lower marketing cost and lower cost of capital, so it's a reasonable approach. But he has to take the bad with the good. That includes critical articles as well as the many fawning ones.
  - fucking_tragedy 7y ago
    > Name any other automaker that faces the same scrutiny. Name any other automaker that makes claims like these about their automatic cruise control: "the person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself."[1] [1] https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/05/23/490104.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/05/23/49...
    - kjksf 7y ago
      How about Ford: full self-driving by 2021. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/15/ford-plans-a-ride-sharing-service-with-its-self-driving-cars-by-2021.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/15/ford-plans-a-ride-sharing-se... https://corporate.ford.com/articles/autonomous-technology/autonomous-2021.html https://corporate.ford.com/articles/autonomous-technology/au... Tesla thinks they can get there faster by a year.
      - fucking_tragedy 7y ago
        Did you read my comment? Tesla didn't claim that they can get there faster, Tesla claimed that their automatic cruise control doesn't require a driver at all. Again, here is what Tesla claimed: > "the person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." Ford has never made a claim that spurious and dangerous like Tesla has.
  - llukas 7y ago
    No other automaker promises full autonomy next year and calls their driver assist "Autopilot".
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      Media coverage of Tesla didn't meaningfully change from the days before self-driving craze, when they were only building an electric car and sticking to facts in their marketing. They had to fight the strongly negative bias of the press since the get go; it's only recently that they started to give the press the rope on which to hang them.

gumby 7y ago

Interesting, as it feels to me like people take anything positive about that company as gospel. Disclaimer: I don't give a fig either way whether the company succeeds or fails though I have a very hard time understanding how they can ever maintain their mkt cap.

scarface74 7y ago
I’m for almost any company succeeding that doesn’t cause a lot of negative externalities and whose business model is you give them money and they give you stuff where in exchange for me getting a produce of value, they can be a profitable on going concern.
PButtNutter 7y ago
The media in general hypes up Tesla way more than any other automaker. Like every Tesla crash makes headlines. Name any other automaker that faces the same scrutiny.
- wpietri 7y ago
  The media is the one who hypes up Tesla? Musk has pursued an strategy that's built around very aggressive PR. This gives him lower marketing cost and lower cost of capital, so it's a reasonable approach. But he has to take the bad with the good. That includes critical articles as well as the many fawning ones.
- fucking_tragedy 7y ago
  > Name any other automaker that faces the same scrutiny. Name any other automaker that makes claims like these about their automatic cruise control: "the person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself."[1] [1] https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/05/23/490104.htm https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2018/05/23/49...
  - kjksf 7y ago
    How about Ford: full self-driving by 2021. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/15/ford-plans-a-ride-sharing-service-with-its-self-driving-cars-by-2021.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/15/ford-plans-a-ride-sharing-se... https://corporate.ford.com/articles/autonomous-technology/autonomous-2021.html https://corporate.ford.com/articles/autonomous-technology/au... Tesla thinks they can get there faster by a year.
    - fucking_tragedy 7y ago
      Did you read my comment? Tesla didn't claim that they can get there faster, Tesla claimed that their automatic cruise control doesn't require a driver at all. Again, here is what Tesla claimed: > "the person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself." Ford has never made a claim that spurious and dangerous like Tesla has.
- llukas 7y ago
  No other automaker promises full autonomy next year and calls their driver assist "Autopilot".
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Media coverage of Tesla didn't meaningfully change from the days before self-driving craze, when they were only building an electric car and sticking to facts in their marketing. They had to fight the strongly negative bias of the press since the get go; it's only recently that they started to give the press the rope on which to hang them.