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I found out last year the root cause of my CFS is life-long mercury toxicity (a well understood neurotoxin). I am responding very positively to treatment. I ra

I found out last year the root cause of my CFS is life-long mercury toxicity (a well understood neurotoxin). I am responding very positively to treatment. I rarely talk about it because people get very upset when I tell them about the evidence of where the mercury came from.

febeling 7y ago
Nice curiosity gap there. Where did the mercury come from?
- thom 7y ago
  Going to assume given the way this is phrased that the poster means a vaccination.
- everly 7y ago
  IMO he is clearly implying it came from a vaccine(s) but he is trying to do it without being seen as an anti-vaxxer.
  - p1necone 7y ago
    Surely you'd have to have a lot of vaccines for it to compare to the amount you get from other sources (mostly seafood afaik?)
    - losteric 7y ago
      Yes. One vaccine contains less mercury than one (average) serving of fish, and the mercury is in a less toxic form.
      - manifestsilence 7y ago
        Not even just a "form". Thimerisol is a compound. I like to compare it to saying we shouldn't eat table salt because it contains chlorine. Now, as to the safety of Thimerisol, obviously that has to be judged on its own merits, but just because a compound "contains" a certain kind of atom, by itself means nothing.
  - wavepruner 7y ago
    Why would I be an anti-vaxxer? Mercury is not in any childhood vaccines.
    - everly 7y ago
      Because mercury toxicity is a common claim of anti-vaxxers and because you implied the alleged source of the mercury which caused your CFS is something that upsets most people. Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to think that you're referring to vaccines. If you were less weirdly cryptic about it, we could just have a normal exchange and perhaps I'd learn something new. Perhaps you instead believe it's from seafood and people don't like hearing that they shouldn't be eating fish, IDK. What exactly is the source of the mercury that you're referring to? You accuse others of not being able to have rational/intelligent conversation in this thread, yet you haven't even stated your basic premise, just trolled and then acted like a victim when people got annoyed with your coyness.
jm__87 7y ago
Where did the mercury come from?
perl4ever 7y ago
I don't get angry like some people about "anti-vaxxers", but the reason I am not one, is because I think that if low levels of mercury were a major health issue, then it would be apparent in large populations that consume a relatively large amount of mercury-containing seafood. e.g. Japan. And in Japan, there have also, as it happens, been incidents of acute mercury poisoning with significant numbers of people, so the difference between toxic and non-toxic levels is clear.
- losteric 7y ago
  Yes, data on mercury toxicity is quite clear that vaccines as safe. However it's unfortunately easy to find sham "doctors" that will diagnose whatever the patient requests - mercury poisoning, EBV, chronic lyme disease, just pay in full and all your beliefs will be confirmed! Just don't look too closely at the placebo, er, cure...
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Well, there are lots of rare diseases, and mercury could be a factor in some of them. That doesn't mean they are imaginary. It's more of a definitional/philosophical issue, that some other factor is essential as well, so it's not right to attribute the problem only to mercury. The distinction I'm making is that I am pretty sure low level mercury is not an issue like lead from gasoline, although I can imagine evidence that would change my mind. If it was, we should be able to see blatant differences in large populations, just like we see with lead and violent crime.
    - whatshisface 7y ago
      I'm also pretty sure that peanut butter is not an issue, but it does kill some people. Maybe there are people out there who are ultra-sensitive to mercury.
      - losteric 7y ago
        True, but people with deadly peanut allergies are still completely fine when peanuts aren't around... I can't imagine why vaccine mercury would explain life-long CFS.
zemvpferreira 7y ago
Do tell please, it would be educating for all of us. Hopefully you’ll find a less negative reception in this thread.
- wavepruner 7y ago
  I'm already being down voted and I've said nothing but what has been rigorously verified as the root cause of my illness. It's impossible to discuss this intelligently on public forums.
  - iron0013 7y ago
    just spit it out, please
  - p1necone 7y ago
    You're being down voted because you're being unnecessarily vague. I dug through your comment history and you haven't mentioned it before, so it's not this community that you've had a bad response from before. (Unless you made a new account?).
    - wavepruner 7y ago
      I made a new account and I am trying to avoid absolutely destroying the karma on this one.
- wavepruner 7y ago
  I have confirmed mercury toxicity through hair analysis, which is controversial and difficult to interpret. It is described in depth by an Princeton trained biochemist, Andrew Cutler, in his book, Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities. This diagnosis has been confirmed by a dramatic improvement of symptoms upon treating specifically for mercury toxicity with low-dose chelation therapy. My symptoms began when I was a baby. Before I ever ate any tuna. Before I was anywhere near a mercury thermometer. I've never had amalgam fillings. I've never been exposed to a mercury spill to my knowledge. These are the facts that I am 100% certain on.
tigershark 7y ago
Do you eat 20 cans of tuna a day? When I was much younger I ate 1-2 cans of tuna pretty much every day for few years and I didn’t have any ill effect at all.
- cheerlessbog 7y ago
  Did you just like the taste?
  - labster 7y ago
    He's a tigershark, of course he likes the taste of tuna. Duh.
- tigershark 7y ago
  TIL that HN people like tuna less than no-vax. Probably you should taste a proper one, not that awful mess that sell in 90% of the world.
  - deleted 7y ago
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saiya-jin 7y ago
yeah you have to be careful with the amount of fish you eat these days, the long living predatory ones tend to accumulate a lot over the time in tissues
wavepruner 7y ago
Just wanted to add that I made this post to throw life-lines out to those who are suffering with the same illness as I am. This was not meant to be an invitation to healthy people to debate the merits of my diagnosis. I don't think healthy people can really understand this illness. It takes an immense amount of research and dedication to wrap your head around what's really going on. I gave up everything in my life to focus on studying my illness for over a decade. I'm talking 80-100 hour weeks for years and years. It just doesn't make sense to argue with people who haven't put in a similar amount of time and effort.
dennis_jeeves 7y ago
wavepruner, what exactly are you using for chealation? Please mention things like where you are getting your treatment, and how many sessions did it take to show positive results.
- wavepruner 7y ago
  I specifically follow Andrew Hall Cutler's frequent low-dose chelation protocol. This is all done in 3-10 day rounds. I started with 1mg DMPS every 8 hours and saw rapid improvement of many symptoms within a few rounds. I worked my way up to 10mg DMPS and added ALA every 3 hours currently at 1mg. I take many supplements which facilitate healing. It is unlikely that one would see rapid improvement without a proper supplement regimen. I'm currently using 3mg DMSA only due to DMPS supply issues. I get many side-effects from DMSA so progress has slowed recently. I've completed 37 rounds and have been chelating for just over a year. I know several people who are claiming near 100% remission of their symptoms after 2-6 years of chelation. ALA is easy to obtain as it is regulated as a supplement. It is very dangerous to take in the doses normally sold if you are mercury toxic. DMPS/DMSA are prescription only, but is easy to get. There is another product that I am going to try soon. They make dramatic marketing claims which makes me suspicious, but the science behind it is compelling once you dig past all the bullshit. It is called TRS annd is manufactured by Coseva. Feel free to write me at jbob286 (aat) gmail if you have questions. I can point you to a bunch of free resources.
specialist 7y ago
Belatedly, FWIW, I guessed dental fillings. I had mine replaced ages ago. Haven't considered testing my mercury levels. Maybe I should. I had aplastic anemia as a kid, cause unknown, treated with a bone marrow transplant (before they had means to isolate stem cells).
- wavepruner 7y ago
  Yea I've talked to hundreds of people who have had success with removing amalgam fillings. This was not my issue though. I posted above about a test you can do. Feel free to write me at jbob286 (aat) gmail if you'd like more info. I can point you to a bunch of free resources that can help guide you through the process.
garfieldnate 7y ago
I'd love to know what the source was! It might help my kids someday.

febeling 7y ago

Nice curiosity gap there. Where did the mercury come from?

thom 7y ago
Going to assume given the way this is phrased that the poster means a vaccination.
everly 7y ago
IMO he is clearly implying it came from a vaccine(s) but he is trying to do it without being seen as an anti-vaxxer.
- p1necone 7y ago
  Surely you'd have to have a lot of vaccines for it to compare to the amount you get from other sources (mostly seafood afaik?)
  - losteric 7y ago
    Yes. One vaccine contains less mercury than one (average) serving of fish, and the mercury is in a less toxic form.
    - manifestsilence 7y ago
      Not even just a "form". Thimerisol is a compound. I like to compare it to saying we shouldn't eat table salt because it contains chlorine. Now, as to the safety of Thimerisol, obviously that has to be judged on its own merits, but just because a compound "contains" a certain kind of atom, by itself means nothing.
- wavepruner 7y ago
  Why would I be an anti-vaxxer? Mercury is not in any childhood vaccines.
  - everly 7y ago
    Because mercury toxicity is a common claim of anti-vaxxers and because you implied the alleged source of the mercury which caused your CFS is something that upsets most people. Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch to think that you're referring to vaccines. If you were less weirdly cryptic about it, we could just have a normal exchange and perhaps I'd learn something new. Perhaps you instead believe it's from seafood and people don't like hearing that they shouldn't be eating fish, IDK. What exactly is the source of the mercury that you're referring to? You accuse others of not being able to have rational/intelligent conversation in this thread, yet you haven't even stated your basic premise, just trolled and then acted like a victim when people got annoyed with your coyness.

jm__87 7y ago

Where did the mercury come from?

perl4ever 7y ago

I don't get angry like some people about "anti-vaxxers", but the reason I am not one, is because I think that if low levels of mercury were a major health issue, then it would be apparent in large populations that consume a relatively large amount of mercury-containing seafood. e.g. Japan. And in Japan, there have also, as it happens, been incidents of acute mercury poisoning with significant numbers of people, so the difference between toxic and non-toxic levels is clear.

losteric 7y ago
Yes, data on mercury toxicity is quite clear that vaccines as safe. However it's unfortunately easy to find sham "doctors" that will diagnose whatever the patient requests - mercury poisoning, EBV, chronic lyme disease, just pay in full and all your beliefs will be confirmed! Just don't look too closely at the placebo, er, cure...
- perl4ever 7y ago
  Well, there are lots of rare diseases, and mercury could be a factor in some of them. That doesn't mean they are imaginary. It's more of a definitional/philosophical issue, that some other factor is essential as well, so it's not right to attribute the problem only to mercury. The distinction I'm making is that I am pretty sure low level mercury is not an issue like lead from gasoline, although I can imagine evidence that would change my mind. If it was, we should be able to see blatant differences in large populations, just like we see with lead and violent crime.
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    I'm also pretty sure that peanut butter is not an issue, but it does kill some people. Maybe there are people out there who are ultra-sensitive to mercury.
    - losteric 7y ago
      True, but people with deadly peanut allergies are still completely fine when peanuts aren't around... I can't imagine why vaccine mercury would explain life-long CFS.

zemvpferreira 7y ago

Do tell please, it would be educating for all of us. Hopefully you’ll find a less negative reception in this thread.

wavepruner 7y ago
I'm already being down voted and I've said nothing but what has been rigorously verified as the root cause of my illness. It's impossible to discuss this intelligently on public forums.
- iron0013 7y ago
  just spit it out, please
- p1necone 7y ago
  You're being down voted because you're being unnecessarily vague. I dug through your comment history and you haven't mentioned it before, so it's not this community that you've had a bad response from before. (Unless you made a new account?).
  - wavepruner 7y ago
    I made a new account and I am trying to avoid absolutely destroying the karma on this one.
wavepruner 7y ago
I have confirmed mercury toxicity through hair analysis, which is controversial and difficult to interpret. It is described in depth by an Princeton trained biochemist, Andrew Cutler, in his book, Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities. This diagnosis has been confirmed by a dramatic improvement of symptoms upon treating specifically for mercury toxicity with low-dose chelation therapy. My symptoms began when I was a baby. Before I ever ate any tuna. Before I was anywhere near a mercury thermometer. I've never had amalgam fillings. I've never been exposed to a mercury spill to my knowledge. These are the facts that I am 100% certain on.

tigershark 7y ago

Do you eat 20 cans of tuna a day? When I was much younger I ate 1-2 cans of tuna pretty much every day for few years and I didn’t have any ill effect at all.

cheerlessbog 7y ago
Did you just like the taste?
- labster 7y ago
  He's a tigershark, of course he likes the taste of tuna. Duh.
tigershark 7y ago
TIL that HN people like tuna less than no-vax. Probably you should taste a proper one, not that awful mess that sell in 90% of the world.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]

saiya-jin 7y ago

yeah you have to be careful with the amount of fish you eat these days, the long living predatory ones tend to accumulate a lot over the time in tissues

wavepruner 7y ago

Just wanted to add that I made this post to throw life-lines out to those who are suffering with the same illness as I am. This was not meant to be an invitation to healthy people to debate the merits of my diagnosis. I don't think healthy people can really understand this illness. It takes an immense amount of research and dedication to wrap your head around what's really going on. I gave up everything in my life to focus on studying my illness for over a decade. I'm talking 80-100 hour weeks for years and years. It just doesn't make sense to argue with people who haven't put in a similar amount of time and effort.

dennis_jeeves 7y ago

wavepruner, what exactly are you using for chealation? Please mention things like where you are getting your treatment, and how many sessions did it take to show positive results.

wavepruner 7y ago
I specifically follow Andrew Hall Cutler's frequent low-dose chelation protocol. This is all done in 3-10 day rounds. I started with 1mg DMPS every 8 hours and saw rapid improvement of many symptoms within a few rounds. I worked my way up to 10mg DMPS and added ALA every 3 hours currently at 1mg. I take many supplements which facilitate healing. It is unlikely that one would see rapid improvement without a proper supplement regimen. I'm currently using 3mg DMSA only due to DMPS supply issues. I get many side-effects from DMSA so progress has slowed recently. I've completed 37 rounds and have been chelating for just over a year. I know several people who are claiming near 100% remission of their symptoms after 2-6 years of chelation. ALA is easy to obtain as it is regulated as a supplement. It is very dangerous to take in the doses normally sold if you are mercury toxic. DMPS/DMSA are prescription only, but is easy to get. There is another product that I am going to try soon. They make dramatic marketing claims which makes me suspicious, but the science behind it is compelling once you dig past all the bullshit. It is called TRS annd is manufactured by Coseva. Feel free to write me at jbob286 (aat) gmail if you have questions. I can point you to a bunch of free resources.

specialist 7y ago

Belatedly, FWIW, I guessed dental fillings. I had mine replaced ages ago. Haven't considered testing my mercury levels. Maybe I should. I had aplastic anemia as a kid, cause unknown, treated with a bone marrow transplant (before they had means to isolate stem cells).

wavepruner 7y ago
Yea I've talked to hundreds of people who have had success with removing amalgam fillings. This was not my issue though. I posted above about a test you can do. Feel free to write me at jbob286 (aat) gmail if you'd like more info. I can point you to a bunch of free resources that can help guide you through the process.

garfieldnate 7y ago

I'd love to know what the source was! It might help my kids someday.