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If a bunch of script kiddies (albeit in considerable number) can take down MasterCard, then it's pretty much MasterCard's fault alone. It's not like they didn't

If a bunch of script kiddies (albeit in considerable number) can take down MasterCard, then it's pretty much MasterCard's fault alone. It's not like they didn't have the money or opportunity.

eli 16y ago
Seriously? Blame the victim?
- redthrowaway 16y ago
  When MasterCard does millions of dollars a day worth of online transactions, which can be halted by LOIC, then yes, blame them. LOIC is really, really basic, and anon has never really gathered any respectable amount of bandwidth. Most small botnets put them to shame. What I suspect, however, is that actual botherders are using these raids as cover. They can still DDoS the target, but 4chan takes the blame. The recent addition of "hivemind" functionality to LOIC, which slaves the user's computer to an irc feed that controls targeting and firing, seems like the perfect opportunity for a botherder to set their botnet to take orders from same.
  - eli 16y ago
    Online transactions weren't halted, mostly just the corporate brochure-ware sites. And attacking a website is never justified. It is wrong regardless of how much effort the owner puts into securing it. Likewise, it's exactly the same crime to steal a car that has an alarm as one that doesn't.
    - redthrowaway 16y ago
      Meh. I'm not defending the attacks. I do think, however, that the moral landscape is significantly greyer than you depict. No nascent movement in history has been morally acceptable by the standards of the establishment. Whether this becomes the American Revolution, the Khmer Rouge, or That One No One Ever Heard Of Or Remembers remains to be seen. As to your specific point, leaving my car unlocked with the windows down overnight on a dark street in Detroit doesn't make the inevitable thieves justified, but it does make me retarded, and completely undeserving of sympathy.
marcinw 16y ago
A bunch of "script kiddies" can make any website unavailable for some period of time. edit: The only difference is in how fast you manage to recover.
- zokier 16y ago
  "Any website" is quite a claim. Google or Microsoft frontpages won't go down that easily.

If a bunch of script kiddies (albeit in considerable number) can take down MasterCard, then it's pretty much MasterCard's fault alone. It's not like they didn't have the money or opportunity.

eli 16y ago

Seriously? Blame the victim?

redthrowaway 16y ago
When MasterCard does millions of dollars a day worth of online transactions, which can be halted by LOIC, then yes, blame them. LOIC is really, really basic, and anon has never really gathered any respectable amount of bandwidth. Most small botnets put them to shame. What I suspect, however, is that actual botherders are using these raids as cover. They can still DDoS the target, but 4chan takes the blame. The recent addition of "hivemind" functionality to LOIC, which slaves the user's computer to an irc feed that controls targeting and firing, seems like the perfect opportunity for a botherder to set their botnet to take orders from same.
- eli 16y ago
  Online transactions weren't halted, mostly just the corporate brochure-ware sites. And attacking a website is never justified. It is wrong regardless of how much effort the owner puts into securing it. Likewise, it's exactly the same crime to steal a car that has an alarm as one that doesn't.
  - redthrowaway 16y ago
    Meh. I'm not defending the attacks. I do think, however, that the moral landscape is significantly greyer than you depict. No nascent movement in history has been morally acceptable by the standards of the establishment. Whether this becomes the American Revolution, the Khmer Rouge, or That One No One Ever Heard Of Or Remembers remains to be seen. As to your specific point, leaving my car unlocked with the windows down overnight on a dark street in Detroit doesn't make the inevitable thieves justified, but it does make me retarded, and completely undeserving of sympathy.

marcinw 16y ago

A bunch of "script kiddies" can make any website unavailable for some period of time. edit: The only difference is in how fast you manage to recover.

zokier 16y ago
"Any website" is quite a claim. Google or Microsoft frontpages won't go down that easily.