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What do you mean "Could we sense when someone was trying to do it", are we talking mandatory computer inspections, government-enforced walled gardens, and the d

What do you mean "Could we sense when someone was trying to do it", are we talking mandatory computer inspections, government-enforced walled gardens, and the death of the general purpose computer? lol, if you thought gun control was hard... Also, yeah, you could do it in your basement without being detected. You can do it in the cloud, too, a lot of us here have the skills and resources to do it, but why spend time on this toy instead of another one, especially if it's going to cost money we could spend on something more fun?

septor 7y ago
Ai in general is an area of active research. The AIs that will bring about the end of the world do not exist — they are not simply in need of an implementation. Right now ai is driven by the collective effort of many research entities. Universities and private businesses. Ai research in those places can be shut down very effectively with regulation. That would probably be enough to buy us centuries because progress in ai depends heavily on this open community of research. Making the use of high level signal processing illegal for business would further delay ai because there would be no incentive for anyone to develop models for profit. We audit taxes and lots of other things, auditing signal processing is not obviously impossible. As you mention, cloud computing is a thing. Cloud computing will likely be the nucleation point from which the first agi springs. It should be shut down. Through regulation or through the dismantling of the internet it should be shut down. Shutting it down would buy us lots of valuable time. ICs are not something you can make in your back yard. Controlling the compute density and energy efficiency or any other aspect of ICs is trivial because they require huge factories to manufacture. Huge amounts of space, energy and money are required to run those fabs. And there aren’t very many of them. Therefore they are highly susceptible to regulation and public oversight. We could stop the production of ICs that are too powerful. So, here you are in your basement. You are trying to train an AGI. You are stuck with old hardware that you somehow bought on the black market. You are risking your life to do it because it’s highly illegal. You don’t have any investment, legal or otherwise, because it’s highly illegal and also stands to make no profit for anyone. You don’t have access to cloud computing. The training is very slow. It is made even slower by the fact that you have to slowly charge a gigantic battery array before each training because without batteries the spike in wattage would be inexplicable for a house in the suburbs and probably trigger a visit from the power authority. The probability that anyone would succeed in this scenario is not zero, but it’s very low. Very, very low. And I think it would save the world.

septor 7y ago

Ai in general is an area of active research. The AIs that will bring about the end of the world do not exist — they are not simply in need of an implementation. Right now ai is driven by the collective effort of many research entities. Universities and private businesses. Ai research in those places can be shut down very effectively with regulation. That would probably be enough to buy us centuries because progress in ai depends heavily on this open community of research. Making the use of high level signal processing illegal for business would further delay ai because there would be no incentive for anyone to develop models for profit. We audit taxes and lots of other things, auditing signal processing is not obviously impossible. As you mention, cloud computing is a thing. Cloud computing will likely be the nucleation point from which the first agi springs. It should be shut down. Through regulation or through the dismantling of the internet it should be shut down. Shutting it down would buy us lots of valuable time. ICs are not something you can make in your back yard. Controlling the compute density and energy efficiency or any other aspect of ICs is trivial because they require huge factories to manufacture. Huge amounts of space, energy and money are required to run those fabs. And there aren’t very many of them. Therefore they are highly susceptible to regulation and public oversight. We could stop the production of ICs that are too powerful. So, here you are in your basement. You are trying to train an AGI. You are stuck with old hardware that you somehow bought on the black market. You are risking your life to do it because it’s highly illegal. You don’t have any investment, legal or otherwise, because it’s highly illegal and also stands to make no profit for anyone. You don’t have access to cloud computing. The training is very slow. It is made even slower by the fact that you have to slowly charge a gigantic battery array before each training because without batteries the spike in wattage would be inexplicable for a house in the suburbs and probably trigger a visit from the power authority. The probability that anyone would succeed in this scenario is not zero, but it’s very low. Very, very low. And I think it would save the world.