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Yes. The Java ecosystem is far larger than Oracle. Java can absolutely thrive if Oracle were to cease to exist tomorrow, or if everyone else[1] decides to move

Yes. The Java ecosystem is far larger than Oracle. Java can absolutely thrive if Oracle were to cease to exist tomorrow, or if everyone else[1] decides to move to a fork. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19827875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19827875

pjmlp 8y ago
Again, where are those contributors? Companies that just repackage Oracle's work don't count.
- jacques_chester 8y ago
  Pivotal is hiring for JDK/JVM development. Worldwide. If you're at Oracle and you want out, drop me a line or do a search for "JDK" at https://pivotal.io/careers/openings https://pivotal.io/careers/openings Several companies outside Oracle already employ JDK folks (IBM, for example). I expect that increasingly our partners and competitors will do the same.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    So which JEPs on OpenJDK are being done by Pivotal? I fail to find them. IBM does minor contributions to Java, and mainly follows the language specification non their own JVMs. IBM was also the only company that bothered to make an initial proposal to acquire Sun, but withdrew it after Oracle's.
    - jacques_chester 8y ago
      That Oracle employees are the dominant contributors today is only evidence of the state of the world today. Oracle is not owed indefinite fealty by folks locked into serfdom. Everyone working on the OpenJDK is entitled to work on it with someone else paying them.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        So many words and no JEP contributions to show.
- sangnoir 8y ago
  > Again, where are those contributors? Current contributions are besides the point, when Netscape open-sourced their browser, the Mozilla Foundation didn't even exist prior to that moment. Java without Oracle is viable - I dare say a "Java Foundation" would be an improvement in terms of community involvement, and there are candidate companies with vested interests (and excellent engineers) to join one should it ever come into existence. Oracle has a history of not being great at dealing with the wider open source community, not just related to Java: look at how it handled Open Office.

pjmlp 8y ago

Again, where are those contributors? Companies that just repackage Oracle's work don't count.

jacques_chester 8y ago
Pivotal is hiring for JDK/JVM development. Worldwide. If you're at Oracle and you want out, drop me a line or do a search for "JDK" at https://pivotal.io/careers/openings https://pivotal.io/careers/openings Several companies outside Oracle already employ JDK folks (IBM, for example). I expect that increasingly our partners and competitors will do the same.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  So which JEPs on OpenJDK are being done by Pivotal? I fail to find them. IBM does minor contributions to Java, and mainly follows the language specification non their own JVMs. IBM was also the only company that bothered to make an initial proposal to acquire Sun, but withdrew it after Oracle's.
  - jacques_chester 8y ago
    That Oracle employees are the dominant contributors today is only evidence of the state of the world today. Oracle is not owed indefinite fealty by folks locked into serfdom. Everyone working on the OpenJDK is entitled to work on it with someone else paying them.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      So many words and no JEP contributions to show.
sangnoir 8y ago
> Again, where are those contributors? Current contributions are besides the point, when Netscape open-sourced their browser, the Mozilla Foundation didn't even exist prior to that moment. Java without Oracle is viable - I dare say a "Java Foundation" would be an improvement in terms of community involvement, and there are candidate companies with vested interests (and excellent engineers) to join one should it ever come into existence. Oracle has a history of not being great at dealing with the wider open source community, not just related to Java: look at how it handled Open Office.