> I think a lot of these famous programmers have never had to work with something terrible and probably never will and that is why they make such blasé statemen

> I think a lot of these famous programmers have never had to work with something terrible and probably never will and that is why they make such blasé statements. Do you think they never had to work with something terrible, or when faced with something terrible, they took the time to make it not terrible? The track record for the software these two have built speaks for itself.