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> There have been no published empirical studies of microdosing and the current legal and bureaucratic climate makes direct empirical investigation of the effec

> There have been no published empirical studies of microdosing and the current legal and bureaucratic climate makes direct empirical investigation of the effects of psychedelics difficult. Dear people who believe that it should be your choice what you do with your own womb: please apply the same ethics to your synapses, and exercise them accordingly in the voting booth.

0_gravitas 8y ago
To be fair most of the people that I know that are for 'choice' also happen to be pro legalization for stuff like this. The issue comes that there arent exactly a lot of candidates talking about legalization, especially beyond marijuana.
- BurningFrog 8y ago
  Because they'd lose a ton of votes if they did.
looeee 8y ago
This is quite the straw man argument. Most of those people either support this already or just have no opinion on it
- chipperyman573 8y ago
  I doubt most people support legalizing LSD. "Most middle-class college-educated young adults, especially those in tech fields, support it" might be more accurate. For example, a recent bill to legalize marijuana in NJ failed earlier this month, and I would be very surprised if more people supported acid than weed. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/nyregion/new-jersey-marijuana.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/nyregion/new-jersey-marij...
  - in3d 8y ago
    If you read the article, you’ll see that it was all about politics, not the public support.
    - acct1771 8y ago
      Corrupt politics in New Jersey?!
- nemosaltat 8y ago
  What are you trying to say here? That compqring "pro-drug" with "pro-choice" is a straw man? For one thing, I don't thing it is- there does seem to be a corralary. For another, it's important to be mindful of the fallacy fallacy, that is, a logical fallacy doesn't necessarily invalidate a conclusion. I'm not saying that was your intent, but would be curious if you could explain.
- BurningFrog 8y ago
  Since abortion is legal and LSD illegal most everywhere, there must be a lot of people who are for one but against the other.
  - nine_k 8y ago
    Not necessarily. Abortion is a pressing practical issue People may be very vocal about it. Psychedelics is mostly an issue of recreation, even without a few millennia of consumption ingrained into culture like alcohol. So the efforts people exert to legalize each are commensurate to how pressing each issue is.
    - acct1771 8y ago
      People frame it as an issue of recreation, but it's actually a mental health crisis that these are not more accessible.
GuB-42 8y ago
1- "pro choice" and "pro drugs" most likely correlate already I'd say the opposite is also true. 2- The argument is different. The question underlying abortion is about the status of the unborn baby. Is it a separate life that needs to be protected by law or is it part of you. If it is part of you at first, when does it become an individual? The question about drugs is about self harm. Should we let people harm themselves? To what point drug use is considered self harm? How should we categorize drugs (most people agree that heroin is bad, psychedelics are more debatable)? Are substance bans effective?
- gehwartzen 8y ago
  I certainly don’t think it’s strictly about self harm on the individual side either; there are tons of substances which are lethal and perfectly legal to buy (they just generally aren’t “fun” to consume).
- krrrh 8y ago
  Yes, and politics are always more complicated than our group homogenization bias suggests. Until recently it was pretty hard to find any politician outside of the libertarian party who would even go on the record as being pro cannabis, though former house Speaker Boehner now works for the industry. But if you look at public intellectuals, there have been lots of conservatives opposed to both abortion on demand and drug prohibition. As far as I know both have been the editorial position of National Review for decades, and William F Buckley was quite vocal on the moral failings of the war on some drugs. Theocons like Pat Robertson have been calling for cannabis to be regulated like alcohol for over a decade. The Mercer family, who were the primary funders of Trump and Bannon-era Breitbart are certainly pro-life. They also are the single largest donors to MAPS in support of the FDA trials on MDMA therapy for PTSD.

0_gravitas 8y ago

To be fair most of the people that I know that are for 'choice' also happen to be pro legalization for stuff like this. The issue comes that there arent exactly a lot of candidates talking about legalization, especially beyond marijuana.

BurningFrog 8y ago
Because they'd lose a ton of votes if they did.

looeee 8y ago

This is quite the straw man argument. Most of those people either support this already or just have no opinion on it

chipperyman573 8y ago
I doubt most people support legalizing LSD. "Most middle-class college-educated young adults, especially those in tech fields, support it" might be more accurate. For example, a recent bill to legalize marijuana in NJ failed earlier this month, and I would be very surprised if more people supported acid than weed. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/nyregion/new-jersey-marijuana.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/nyregion/new-jersey-marij...
- in3d 8y ago
  If you read the article, you’ll see that it was all about politics, not the public support.
  - acct1771 8y ago
    Corrupt politics in New Jersey?!
nemosaltat 8y ago
What are you trying to say here? That compqring "pro-drug" with "pro-choice" is a straw man? For one thing, I don't thing it is- there does seem to be a corralary. For another, it's important to be mindful of the fallacy fallacy, that is, a logical fallacy doesn't necessarily invalidate a conclusion. I'm not saying that was your intent, but would be curious if you could explain.
BurningFrog 8y ago
Since abortion is legal and LSD illegal most everywhere, there must be a lot of people who are for one but against the other.
- nine_k 8y ago
  Not necessarily. Abortion is a pressing practical issue People may be very vocal about it. Psychedelics is mostly an issue of recreation, even without a few millennia of consumption ingrained into culture like alcohol. So the efforts people exert to legalize each are commensurate to how pressing each issue is.
  - acct1771 8y ago
    People frame it as an issue of recreation, but it's actually a mental health crisis that these are not more accessible.

GuB-42 8y ago

1- "pro choice" and "pro drugs" most likely correlate already I'd say the opposite is also true. 2- The argument is different. The question underlying abortion is about the status of the unborn baby. Is it a separate life that needs to be protected by law or is it part of you. If it is part of you at first, when does it become an individual? The question about drugs is about self harm. Should we let people harm themselves? To what point drug use is considered self harm? How should we categorize drugs (most people agree that heroin is bad, psychedelics are more debatable)? Are substance bans effective?

gehwartzen 8y ago
I certainly don’t think it’s strictly about self harm on the individual side either; there are tons of substances which are lethal and perfectly legal to buy (they just generally aren’t “fun” to consume).
krrrh 8y ago
Yes, and politics are always more complicated than our group homogenization bias suggests. Until recently it was pretty hard to find any politician outside of the libertarian party who would even go on the record as being pro cannabis, though former house Speaker Boehner now works for the industry. But if you look at public intellectuals, there have been lots of conservatives opposed to both abortion on demand and drug prohibition. As far as I know both have been the editorial position of National Review for decades, and William F Buckley was quite vocal on the moral failings of the war on some drugs. Theocons like Pat Robertson have been calling for cannabis to be regulated like alcohol for over a decade. The Mercer family, who were the primary funders of Trump and Bannon-era Breitbart are certainly pro-life. They also are the single largest donors to MAPS in support of the FDA trials on MDMA therapy for PTSD.