> There are suburbs all over the place if that's what you want. Not SF obviously, but most places where these debates pop up ARE suburbs. Thats the whole probl

> There are suburbs all over the place if that's what you want. Not SF obviously, but most places where these debates pop up ARE suburbs. Thats the whole problem. People spend forever finding a place that suits their need, and then others come in trying to transform them into something that suits theirs instead. Which is fine I guess, but I'd be hard pressed to say one side has the moral high ground.