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Mozilla has been on the downward spiral over the last several years. They took something (i.e. Firefox) that wasn't broken and "fixed" it until it was, first by

Mozilla has been on the downward spiral over the last several years. They took something (i.e. Firefox) that wasn't broken and "fixed" it until it was, first by killing off XPCOM and then suffering through the misadventures of such bastard products as Firefox OS. The folks at Mozilla should really stick to what their good at and focus on an all around open source browser that people will actually WANT to use.

asutekku 7y ago
That doesn’t make money which kinda is required to work on Firefox.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  I thought they made money by sending searches to Google. A browser that people want to use means more searches and so more money to keep working on the browser. Childish stuff like TV show references, and this certificate issue, means less users, less searches, less money.
  - ChrisSD 7y ago
    They've been attempting to diversify their income for ages. A lot of people have issues with Firefox being substantially reliant on Google.
- super_mario 7y ago
  But they have money to trow at Antifa fascists.
  - TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
    Anti-fascist fascists?
    - super_mario 7y ago
      anti-fascist only in name, but behave exactly like fascists.
  - dralley 7y ago
    Not this shit again. It was a private email service. The complaint was that the private email service also happens to be used by Antifa members. Which is unsurprising. This is like complaining that they shouldn't give money to the Tor project because it gets used by unsavory people, too.
  - sctb 7y ago
    > Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
Mozilla killed XPCOM because it was actively preventing improving Firefox. In particular, Firefox could finally go multiprocess, and other improvements of the Quantum project are slowly being incorporated.
- superkuh 7y ago
  A lot of people don't view that (or other changes) as improvement. I personally hate multi-process browsers because they eat RAM like nothing else. In my browser of choice I normally run 200-500 active tabs and I stay under ~3 GB of ram usage. With a multi-process browser that'd be impossible.
  - ripdog 7y ago
    I don't know if you've forgotten, but under that old use case (hundreds of tabs in one process), Firefox would bog down further and further as background tabs stole more and more main thread time, eventually only a restart of the browser would restore it to usability. In 2019, I still use hundreds of tabs - and Firefox handles it with grace. RAM is there to be used, and this is the perfect use for it.

asutekku 7y ago

That doesn’t make money which kinda is required to work on Firefox.

chrisseaton 7y ago
I thought they made money by sending searches to Google. A browser that people want to use means more searches and so more money to keep working on the browser. Childish stuff like TV show references, and this certificate issue, means less users, less searches, less money.
- ChrisSD 7y ago
  They've been attempting to diversify their income for ages. A lot of people have issues with Firefox being substantially reliant on Google.
super_mario 7y ago
But they have money to trow at Antifa fascists.
- TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago
  Anti-fascist fascists?
  - super_mario 7y ago
    anti-fascist only in name, but behave exactly like fascists.
- dralley 7y ago
  Not this shit again. It was a private email service. The complaint was that the private email service also happens to be used by Antifa members. Which is unsurprising. This is like complaining that they shouldn't give money to the Tor project because it gets used by unsavory people, too.
- sctb 7y ago
  > Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

TazeTSchnitzel 7y ago

Mozilla killed XPCOM because it was actively preventing improving Firefox. In particular, Firefox could finally go multiprocess, and other improvements of the Quantum project are slowly being incorporated.

superkuh 7y ago
A lot of people don't view that (or other changes) as improvement. I personally hate multi-process browsers because they eat RAM like nothing else. In my browser of choice I normally run 200-500 active tabs and I stay under ~3 GB of ram usage. With a multi-process browser that'd be impossible.
- ripdog 7y ago
  I don't know if you've forgotten, but under that old use case (hundreds of tabs in one process), Firefox would bog down further and further as background tabs stole more and more main thread time, eventually only a restart of the browser would restore it to usability. In 2019, I still use hundreds of tabs - and Firefox handles it with grace. RAM is there to be used, and this is the perfect use for it.