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Poll: Are you a builder or entrepreneur?

17 points by ntoshev 18y ago

Please vote using only one choice:

ArcticCelt 18y ago
I find the definition of the previous article flawed therefor I can't answer to something incorrectly defined.
- rewind 18y ago
  Can you elaborate? What's your definition?
- deleted 18y ago
  [deleted]
eventhough 18y ago
isn't builder a subset of entrepreneur?
- davidw 18y ago
  Not at all. As an example, look at all the cool stuff this guy has built (and there are significant things not listed): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tridgell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tridgell But he doesn't seem inclined to strike out on his own, even though something like Samba Inc. would certainly have a shot at making some money.
- rhiltd 18y ago
  Tridge is considers Australia's best hacker. But he has no interest in forming any company. The only time he was convinced was to help form a company was with Linuxcare. Along with Rasmus Lerdorf (PHP), Martin Pool (Apache), Paul 'Rusty' Russell (ipchains) and Richard Morrell (SmoothWall) He is interested in superior technological solutions. He does not care about term sheets (aka term shits) or vesting rights etc. He get paid VERY WELL for stuff he loves doing. What is better than that???? BTW, he was ANU chess champion and often played blindfolded. PS Australia's greatest hacker was John Lions.
  - bootload 18y ago
    "... Tridge is considers (sic) Australia's best hacker. ..." hmmm ... if it's "au-hacker-fanboy-time" what about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Conway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Conway ? Plus he's funnier ~ http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail880.html http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail880.html
ideas101 18y ago
for new folks you should add definition besides each category. though i think all entrepreneurs are builders.
- ryanagraves 18y ago
  this is a great point. I would consider myself much more entrepreneur than coder but I'm definitely a builder!
ideas101 18y ago
by the way how did u add pointer (up arrow) to count votes?
rw 18y ago
Taking this poll reinforces the mindset that I can't change myself.
- radu_floricica 18y ago
  Yup. I kinda thing this whole entrepreneur vs builder thing is just a rationalization for programmers that they don't have to be good at entreprenorial stuff and they have an excuse. True, few people are good at it, but it's the same proportion as in every other population, maybe they're even more frequent due to the programmers already being smart and sortof open. There's no inverse relation. The bad news is that any valuable skill is rare and hard to learn. You're not going to get is as easy as a new programming language - it takes lots of time and trial&error, and not a little luck (and talent, the same thing).
  - davidw 18y ago
    It's not a "rationalization" - it's a recognition that people are different, and good at different things, and how to work with and around that. As I said with the original posting, I admire PG for having 'shown the way', or at least one way, for builders to have a go at a startup. You can look at it the other way: lots of entrepreneurs aren't that strong technically. Some go out and try and learn, some try to find other ways around the problem - by partnering with tech people, for instance.
- bkovitz 18y ago
  "Identifying where I am now means I can't change myself" is one way of looking at this. Another, of course, is that by identifying where you are now, you can plot a course for what you want to do next. I've been a "builder" my whole life, terribly shy, no clue about sales or marketing or business, just glad that other people took care of that so I could get paid to do interesting work. For the last couple years, I've been doing things to get over the shyness, and have had a lot of success. Now getting learned up about business, because I want to own the thing I'm working on and have it pay the rent. That's why I'm on HN. Looks like a lot of us here are doing that.
webwright 18y ago
I find the idea of calling them "entrepreneurs" to be just WRONG. What I think you're saying is "biz guy"... Which are critical for some startups, but useless for others. Varying startups require that someone steps up to the plate to perform a variety of tasks-- and for each startup, the needs are different. You're looking for a formula and there isn't one.
sabat 18y ago
Wanna be both? I'm more a builder, if you look at my past, but I'm actively learning entrepreneurship.
volida 18y ago
who comes up with these lame questions
maxklein 18y ago
I see myself as neither. I am an artist, and life is my canvas.
maheshcr 18y ago
Good question, makes one think on which side one actually stands...

17 points by ntoshev 18y ago

Please vote using only one choice:

ArcticCelt 18y ago

I find the definition of the previous article flawed therefor I can't answer to something incorrectly defined.

rewind 18y ago
Can you elaborate? What's your definition?
deleted 18y ago
[deleted]

eventhough 18y ago

isn't builder a subset of entrepreneur?

davidw 18y ago
Not at all. As an example, look at all the cool stuff this guy has built (and there are significant things not listed): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tridgell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Tridgell But he doesn't seem inclined to strike out on his own, even though something like Samba Inc. would certainly have a shot at making some money.
rhiltd 18y ago
Tridge is considers Australia's best hacker. But he has no interest in forming any company. The only time he was convinced was to help form a company was with Linuxcare. Along with Rasmus Lerdorf (PHP), Martin Pool (Apache), Paul 'Rusty' Russell (ipchains) and Richard Morrell (SmoothWall) He is interested in superior technological solutions. He does not care about term sheets (aka term shits) or vesting rights etc. He get paid VERY WELL for stuff he loves doing. What is better than that???? BTW, he was ANU chess champion and often played blindfolded. PS Australia's greatest hacker was John Lions.
- bootload 18y ago
  "... Tridge is considers (sic) Australia's best hacker. ..." hmmm ... if it's "au-hacker-fanboy-time" what about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Conway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Conway ? Plus he's funnier ~ http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail880.html http://itc.conversationsnetwork.org/shows/detail880.html

ideas101 18y ago

for new folks you should add definition besides each category. though i think all entrepreneurs are builders.

ryanagraves 18y ago
this is a great point. I would consider myself much more entrepreneur than coder but I'm definitely a builder!

ideas101 18y ago

by the way how did u add pointer (up arrow) to count votes?

rw 18y ago

Taking this poll reinforces the mindset that I can't change myself.

radu_floricica 18y ago
Yup. I kinda thing this whole entrepreneur vs builder thing is just a rationalization for programmers that they don't have to be good at entreprenorial stuff and they have an excuse. True, few people are good at it, but it's the same proportion as in every other population, maybe they're even more frequent due to the programmers already being smart and sortof open. There's no inverse relation. The bad news is that any valuable skill is rare and hard to learn. You're not going to get is as easy as a new programming language - it takes lots of time and trial&error, and not a little luck (and talent, the same thing).
- davidw 18y ago
  It's not a "rationalization" - it's a recognition that people are different, and good at different things, and how to work with and around that. As I said with the original posting, I admire PG for having 'shown the way', or at least one way, for builders to have a go at a startup. You can look at it the other way: lots of entrepreneurs aren't that strong technically. Some go out and try and learn, some try to find other ways around the problem - by partnering with tech people, for instance.
bkovitz 18y ago
"Identifying where I am now means I can't change myself" is one way of looking at this. Another, of course, is that by identifying where you are now, you can plot a course for what you want to do next. I've been a "builder" my whole life, terribly shy, no clue about sales or marketing or business, just glad that other people took care of that so I could get paid to do interesting work. For the last couple years, I've been doing things to get over the shyness, and have had a lot of success. Now getting learned up about business, because I want to own the thing I'm working on and have it pay the rent. That's why I'm on HN. Looks like a lot of us here are doing that.

webwright 18y ago

I find the idea of calling them "entrepreneurs" to be just WRONG. What I think you're saying is "biz guy"... Which are critical for some startups, but useless for others. Varying startups require that someone steps up to the plate to perform a variety of tasks-- and for each startup, the needs are different. You're looking for a formula and there isn't one.

sabat 18y ago

Wanna be both? I'm more a builder, if you look at my past, but I'm actively learning entrepreneurship.

volida 18y ago

who comes up with these lame questions

maxklein 18y ago

I see myself as neither. I am an artist, and life is my canvas.

maheshcr 18y ago

Good question, makes one think on which side one actually stands...