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SQLAlchemy author / maintainer here. If Kenneth has been acting in bad faith within the community, that should be brought to light and called out. That said,
by zzzeek 8y ago
SQLAlchemy author / maintainer here.
If Kenneth has been acting in bad faith within the community, that should be brought to light and called out. That said, I can't help but think this blog post swings that hammer way too hard, and then even gets into rumors about other unethical things he has allegedly done without any attribution. The author goes on long enough in this manner so much so that they have to remind the reader "please don't abuse or harass Kenneth!" That's a sign you've swung too hard. I know Kenneth personally, as the blog post mentions, he has mental health issues and while the article rightly points out this is no excuse, it's not the authors place to judge how effectively or not a mental health sufferer is capable of managing their illness.
Again i agree the incidents in question should be called out and I am glad this author has spoken out. But as someone who also suffers from mental illness I am concerned for the extended nature of the post.
- wilfredinni 8y agoThis is from the post: Many people manage their conditions without causing this kind of harm, and when they mess up, they make amends, just like the rest of us. If someone can't do that, then as a community, we can have compassion but shouldn't give them power and influence.
- zzzeek 8y agoI agree totally but at the same time this post goes well beyond the realm of calling out the behavior and into deep rumor and character assasination territory. All of which may also be true but there is simply no need.
- Nicksil 8y ago>All of which may also be true but there is simply no need. I don't understand this logic. If all may be true, then there is absolutely a need to alert the community of a prominent member who may be damaging that very community.
- zzzeek 8y ago"no need" to get into hearsay, deep character analysis, pleas to please not target this person for harassment since I am being so extensive in my criticism of this person, etc, e.g. what I just wrote above, it should be clear, trust your facts to speak for themselves a little more than you are giving them credit
- eesmith 8y agoBased on my reading of many related sorts of threads like this, the problem with trusting the facts to speak for themselves is that people don't read the facts before responding ... as you can see even from this thread. In practice you do need to provide interpretation of the larger context, otherwise someone else will do it. Also, if you don't make a plea to not target a person, then you'll be accused of trying to incite others to target that person. In short, I strongly disagree with your position.
- zzzeek 8y agoSo you think character critiques should include hearsay and rumor in order to make a complete case? I am totally fine with contextual interpretation.
- eesmith 8y agoThose were not the points I addressed. Your terms "hearsay and rumor" appear deliberately chosen to color the more generic phrase "anonymous" or "third-party". As such, I cannot answer your question as I disagree with the characterization.
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- craigsmansion 8y agoThere is a need. 30.000 dollar in donations went missing. That is enough information for anyone to stop interacting until they are accounted for. What isn't needed is personal speculation about how a cheap laptop would suffice, or how taxes can't be that high, or how much documentation should cost, or etc. etc. It's all pretty much irrelevant in light of the fact that 30 grand went missing. What definitely isn't needed is an insulting analysis of perceived wrong-doing backed by pop-psychology. "Many people manage their conditions without causing this kind of harm..." Yeah, and some don't. There is a difference between "alerting the community" and writing an opinion piece placing yourself in a victim/martyr role to underline you're really "the good guy" here.
- LyndsySimon 8y agoThe way I see it, everyone requires some degree of empathy and consideration in order to build a productive relationship. The considerations made in interacting with Kenneth may be different from those made when interacting with others, but the principle is the same in my opinion. I’ll also say that I consider Kenneth to be a true friend, and that those considerations are more than worth it. He’s an extremely gifted developer - and more importantly, a truly good person.
- mythrwy 8y agoThanks for keeping this issue in balance. Oh, and your awesome work on SQLAlchemy.