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I absolutely hate this because it is so tone deaf. What is the point of people like me using Firefox Nightly? Do your tests on me. Don't do stupid shit with pe

• fabrice_d 8y ago
  Unfortunately the population of Nightly users is too small to get relevant data in many cases.
  • mlthoughts2018 8y ago
    That would seem to be a market signal indicating people generally don’t want to be experimented on by Mozilla. How is a lack of data for Mozilla my problem? Why does it mean that can inject default preference changes?
    • dralley 8y ago
      >How is a lack of data for Mozilla my problem? Why does it mean that can inject default preference changes? It would mean they can't roll out things like hardware acceleration or Stylo or Webrender as quickly despite their numerous manifest benefits.
      • mlthoughts2018 8y ago
        I don’t understand. If users valued those things more than having the browser be a stand-alone piece of software after it is installed, then users would opt in to testing. By not opting in, users would indicated that experiment-avoidance is a feature that gives them more value than the fast rollout of those other features.
        • jamescostian 8y ago
          Would you prefer stable only getting crucial security updates and never release updates to speed things up? Eventually Nightly would be completely different from stable, especially with the switch to Rust. So then Mozilla would have to maintain 2 completely different versions of FF - that's a lot more work! A better middle-ground is to let things get tested by those who opt-in to it (using Nightly and Beta versions), and slowly trickle changes down. That way none of the published versions are so different that Mozilla needs more staff to handle the different versions. And of course, stable users have far fewer issues than nightly/beta users. Certificate expirations throw a wrench in the whole system, but even if you made FF stable never update, you'd still have a problem because the cert expired.
          • mcny 8y ago
            GP said » It would mean they can't roll out things like hardware acceleration or Stylo or Webrender as quickly despite their numerous manifest benefits. You said: » Eventually Nightly would be completely different from stable, especially with the switch to Rust. So then Mozilla would have to maintain 2 completely different versions of FF - that's a lot more work! As unofficially mandated by the new owners of the Internet - the Google Chrome team - the time between two "major" versions of Firefox is six (to eight) weeks. Yes, we can wait six to eight weeks for new features or twelve to eighteen weeks from trunk to stable (x2 of six to eight). What we should do is enourage a wider swath of the population to adopt Firefox developer edition and Firefox nightly. » A better middle-ground is to let things get tested by those who opt-in to it (using Nightly and Beta versions), and slowly trickle changes down. That way none of the published versions are so different that Mozilla needs more staff to handle the different versions. Thank you. This is exactly what I want. I am not saying things should never change. I'm just saying don't experiment in stable. We are already hemorrhaging market share as is and this nonsense doesn't help.
• throwaway2048 8y ago
  Not to mention there was an almost identical scandal surrounding "studies", then they rename the covert replacement (which is NOT effected by anything in the GUI settings menu, is enabled by default, and is used to run studies on users) "normandy", you know the famously covert all out assault on the french coast. Mozilla seems to be culturally broken these days, and learned absolutely nothing from the previous studies crap.
• gubbrora 8y ago
  This wasn't a new bug in an experimental feature. It was a timebomb (accidental) that's been in the codebase a long time.