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There is vast evidence for these camps, heck, you can see them in google maps. https://theintercept.com/2018/08/13/china-muslims-uighur-detention/ https://thei

There is vast evidence for these camps, heck, you can see them in google maps. https://theintercept.com/2018/08/13/china-muslims-uighur-detention/ https://theintercept.com/2018/08/13/china-muslims-uighur-det... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_camps https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/China_hidden_cam... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/11/if-you-enter-a-camp-you-never-come-out-inside-chinas-war-on-islam https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/11/if-you-enter-a...

acqq 7y ago
I don't dispute that there is something that can be seen in the google maps. I also don't dispute that the "camps" have some numbers of people in them. What I am claiming is that we should be very careful in evaluating what exactly among all the claims is true. E.g: - what is meant by "concentration camps"? Is the naming correct or a pure propaganda? I.e. are they comparable to those made by Nazis in WW II? Or, - Are they comparable to the concentration camps in which the U.S. put the people of Japanese origin living in the U.S. during the same war? Or, - Are they comparable to the U.S. prisons? - How many "minority Muslims" are put in the camps? The title itself can be claimed to be "correct" even if the most of the people in the camps aren't minority Muslims and only a few "minority Muslims" are put there. And again, is that the best name for that "camp" etc. - Did the "minority Muslims" in the "camps" perform some subversive activities before, i.e. does some legal ground exist? - What is the treatment of the people in these camps? - How many people are total in these camps and other prisons in China? China has almost 5 times more people than the U.S. so if the total is under 10 million of people, they have still less people in the prisons per citizen than the U.S. has(!) - How can we be sure not to act like we acted after the "WMD" claims or "Nayirah testimony"? Before the discovery much later, you could have also responded that for what was claimed there's "vast evidence."
- mcphage 7y ago
  > How can we be sure not to act like we acted after the "WMD" claims or "Nayirah testimony"? Is there anyone, anywhere, suggesting we go to war over this? And if not: what the hell are you talking about?

acqq 7y ago

I don't dispute that there is something that can be seen in the google maps. I also don't dispute that the "camps" have some numbers of people in them. What I am claiming is that we should be very careful in evaluating what exactly among all the claims is true. E.g: - what is meant by "concentration camps"? Is the naming correct or a pure propaganda? I.e. are they comparable to those made by Nazis in WW II? Or, - Are they comparable to the concentration camps in which the U.S. put the people of Japanese origin living in the U.S. during the same war? Or, - Are they comparable to the U.S. prisons? - How many "minority Muslims" are put in the camps? The title itself can be claimed to be "correct" even if the most of the people in the camps aren't minority Muslims and only a few "minority Muslims" are put there. And again, is that the best name for that "camp" etc. - Did the "minority Muslims" in the "camps" perform some subversive activities before, i.e. does some legal ground exist? - What is the treatment of the people in these camps? - How many people are total in these camps and other prisons in China? China has almost 5 times more people than the U.S. so if the total is under 10 million of people, they have still less people in the prisons per citizen than the U.S. has(!) - How can we be sure not to act like we acted after the "WMD" claims or "Nayirah testimony"? Before the discovery much later, you could have also responded that for what was claimed there's "vast evidence."

mcphage 7y ago
> How can we be sure not to act like we acted after the "WMD" claims or "Nayirah testimony"? Is there anyone, anywhere, suggesting we go to war over this? And if not: what the hell are you talking about?