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One can make a pretty good case that Heroku and the like is where all web development is headed pretty soon. One thing that can be gleaned from the history of

by hristov 16y ago

One can make a pretty good case that Heroku and the like is where all web development is headed pretty soon. One thing that can be gleaned from the history of languages and computing platforms is that once computing performance started skyrocketing, it has been the easiest languages and platforms that have been winning. And RoR is very easy and Heroku is a very easy way to deploy and host RoR. If Heroku becomes the place to be for commercial web apps, if it becomes the visual studio for web apps, those 200 mill will look like a steal.

dasil003 16y ago
The Heroku model is not ideal for commercial apps, it's good for very small apps, but if you scale up it's not cost effective at all. Things that would take a half-hour to setup with puppet on amazon become add-ons that you have to pay large ongoing fees for. Instead of investing in building out infrastructure optimized for your application where you have options on how to grow, you're shoe-horned into a one-size fits all model, that starts out cheap, but has a built-in premium which becomes more and more painful the larger you grow. We host our app on Engine Yard AppCloud which is considerably more open in that they give you access to the cloud "metal" but even there the clock is ticking to where it just makes more sense to hire a full-time systems engineer and build it out ourselves. Don't get me wrong, I understand the value proposition of a highly tuned blackbox Rails stack, and there is certainly no faster way to get up and running. So it may become the place to be for early stage startups and prototypes. But the particular model that Heroku has is sort of like the Drupal of infrastructure: it's an amazing platform that has everything you need out of the box, but which also comes with a lot of baggage that can easily become an albatross when you are really trying to dial in a growing app.
axod 16y ago
Whilst Amazon cloud, Heroku etc may be hot for startups who don't really mind about throwing money away, I don't think that will last. Both are significantly, prohibitively expensive for companies interested in turning a profit or having a business model. It's more like "VC funded companies throw money at hosting at the moment".
- justinchen 16y ago
  We use Amazon EC2 via EngineYard and we're a profitable bootstrapped company that's been around for 5 years.
  - axod 16y ago
    Image how much more profitable you could be if you got a dedicated server or 10.
    - justinchen 16y ago
      The trade-off isn't worth it. There's 2 of us full-time and we'd much rather pay the EngineYard and EC2 premiums if that means not having to spend any time dealing with hardware or even sys-admin activities. The extra time lets us focus on the business and have more stress-free lives.
      - axod 16y ago
        Fair enough. It definitely depends on your websites profile etc. I worked out a while back what it'd cost to run Mibbit on EC2 (Let alone any intermediary), and it was crazy money. But we use a fair bit of bandwidth and not too much CPU so it all depends.

by hristov 16y ago

dasil003 16y ago

The Heroku model is not ideal for commercial apps, it's good for very small apps, but if you scale up it's not cost effective at all. Things that would take a half-hour to setup with puppet on amazon become add-ons that you have to pay large ongoing fees for. Instead of investing in building out infrastructure optimized for your application where you have options on how to grow, you're shoe-horned into a one-size fits all model, that starts out cheap, but has a built-in premium which becomes more and more painful the larger you grow. We host our app on Engine Yard AppCloud which is considerably more open in that they give you access to the cloud "metal" but even there the clock is ticking to where it just makes more sense to hire a full-time systems engineer and build it out ourselves. Don't get me wrong, I understand the value proposition of a highly tuned blackbox Rails stack, and there is certainly no faster way to get up and running. So it may become the place to be for early stage startups and prototypes. But the particular model that Heroku has is sort of like the Drupal of infrastructure: it's an amazing platform that has everything you need out of the box, but which also comes with a lot of baggage that can easily become an albatross when you are really trying to dial in a growing app.

axod 16y ago

Whilst Amazon cloud, Heroku etc may be hot for startups who don't really mind about throwing money away, I don't think that will last. Both are significantly, prohibitively expensive for companies interested in turning a profit or having a business model. It's more like "VC funded companies throw money at hosting at the moment".

justinchen 16y ago
We use Amazon EC2 via EngineYard and we're a profitable bootstrapped company that's been around for 5 years.
- axod 16y ago
  Image how much more profitable you could be if you got a dedicated server or 10.
  - justinchen 16y ago
    The trade-off isn't worth it. There's 2 of us full-time and we'd much rather pay the EngineYard and EC2 premiums if that means not having to spend any time dealing with hardware or even sys-admin activities. The extra time lets us focus on the business and have more stress-free lives.
    - axod 16y ago
      Fair enough. It definitely depends on your websites profile etc. I worked out a while back what it'd cost to run Mibbit on EC2 (Let alone any intermediary), and it was crazy money. But we use a fair bit of bandwidth and not too much CPU so it all depends.