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> Why is the idea that the human mind is beyond Turing > machines not taken seriously? Because it doesn't appear to be true. Every day that goes by we are abl
by bArray 7y ago
> Why is the idea that the human mind is beyond Turing
> machines not taken seriously?
Because it doesn't appear to be true. Every day that goes by we are able to build larger and more complex neural networks (NN, DNN, FNN, RNN, CNN, BNN, etc, etc).
> Seems to make the most sense from the data we do have.
We haven't done it yet, but we haven't come across some massive barrier to stop us doing it. Although no attempt has been successful, no attempt has shown some reason to stop trying.
> E.g. how could we possible write functioning code so
> consistently if we are limited by the halting problem for
> Turing machines?
Better testing tools are developed all of the time. You hear about the failures, but never the success. When was the last time HN crashed? When was the last time you couldn't connect to the internet? We're getting much-much better at building complex software that is reliable (TM).
It will happen, we just don't know when or how.
- yters 7y agoThe question is whether those larger NNs are reaching an asymptotic limit that is way below known human capabilities. Currently, NNs can only be said to surpass human ability within a very narrow definition. However, if we do an apples to apples comparison, humans are still vastly superior to any NN on any task in terms of computation operations, memory and energy usage. We also learn in a inherently different way, using principles that are widely applicable. NNs, on the other hand, "learn" more in the sense of memorizing answers to a test. There is no understanding that NNs achieve which can be generalized and applied widely.
- bArray 7y agoIt is of my opinion that one approach to tackle this could be to impose structure, such as "this NN is responsible for this part". That way we could speed up overall training and build more complex NN architectures. That said I think there is still a lot of research to be done, they are not perfect, but I think we are barking up the right tree.
- yters 7y agoWhy do you think we are barking up the right tree? The assumption that mind = NN seems wrong on many levels.