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> Also, wow, the web has a ton of ads. I've been running uBlock origin so long I forgot how bad it had gotten :( Try turning it off. I got rid of ublock after

by mrep 7y ago

> Also, wow, the web has a ton of ads. I've been running uBlock origin so long I forgot how bad it had gotten :( Try turning it off. I got rid of ublock after arstechnica complained about a lot of their users blocking ads years ago and it honestly isn't that bad. Every once in a while I do back out of a page for maxing out one of my cpu cores but otherwise, nothing ever bad happens. With ads: either it takes me half a second to tell I'm not interested in an ad, or I actually am interested and i follow the ad because I am interested and I want to support the website. The alternative is websites charging insane amounts of money with paywalls (Wall street journal has their "best" price for 12 months at $360 a year). That is horrible because it means only rich people can pay for high quality news as ads are one of the most progressive forms of payment (rich people ads are way more valuable than poor peoples and yet everyone gets the same quality services/news with the ad model despite their income/net worth).

hnaccy 7y ago
>nothing ever bad happens. With ads: either it takes me half a second to tell I'm not interested in an ad, or I actually am interested and i follow the ad because I am interested and I want to support the website. You just described something bad.
- mrep 7y ago
  Assuming you mean that half second looking at the ad: Name a better alternative for funding the internet. Paywalls at every website?
  - Nicksil 7y ago
    >Assuming you mean that half second looking at the ad: Name a better alternative for funding the internet. Paywalls at every website? Funding the Internet? What you're talking about (ads) is a revenue stream for what amounts to a handful of websites. google.com, amazon.com, ycombinator.com, reddit.com, thefacebook.com, tweeter.com, etc. could all go offline right now and the Internet would still be here.
    - gugagore 7y ago
      That doesn't sound right. What about all the other websites with ads, like recipe sites, guitar chords, porn, diy, etc.? or apps on the Google play store with ads?
      - luckylion 7y ago
        I run sites that don't have ads. I don't make any money off of them. I still run them. Seems like a lot of people in software development think similarly.
        sleavey 7y ago
        This is the web that I like. Hobbyists and volunteers running low-fi websites for common interests. I'm not against commercial sites like Netflix but don't think every last blog should be monetised.
        ajoy39 7y ago
        How do you pay your bills? If running those websites were your full time job, would you still be okay not making any money off of them? Or have you just decided that only people who have other income should have websites?
      - Nicksil 7y ago
        I don't understand your question; what about them? The websites are just nodes of the Internet. And I don't understand at all why you brought up Google app store apps, so I'll refrain from commenting on that until I better understand your point.
        gugagore 7y ago
        It doesn't feel like a handful of websites. It feels like the dominant experience of the internet for most people. Ads are a source of revenue for many more websites than just a handful. They are also a source of revenue for more than a handful of apps. I
  - dorgo 7y ago
    An open, transparent, convenient, anonymous protocol for micro payments, with good cost contol build into browsers.
    - VMG 7y ago
      It is coming :) https://lightningjoule.com/ https://lightningjoule.com/
  - tripzilch 7y ago
    You really seem to care a lot about this, let me guess, you work in adtech?
- daveFNbuck 7y ago
  What's bad about supporting a site you like while learning about something that interests you? If this were really all ads were I wouldn't block them.
  - johnchristopher 7y ago
    That's not what the post says at all.
    - daveFNbuck 7y ago
      The person who I am responding to said the following describes something bad: > either it takes me half a second to tell I'm not interested in an ad, or I actually am interested and i follow the ad because I am interested and I want to support the website The second half of that sentence is precisely what I'm describing. Do you disagree with my characterization of that sentence? I assume they included that part in the quote rather than cutting it off earlier because this was part of what they were saying is bad. Do you disagree with me there?
luckylion 7y ago
> With ads: either it takes me half a second to tell I'm not interested in an ad, or I actually am interested and i follow the ad because I am interested and I want to support the website. If ads weren't doubling as tracking beacons and the occasional malicious drive by download, that certainly would be an option.
nilkn 7y ago
It’s the sheer number of trackers online that really pushes me to use lots of security extensions. I really can’t support that kind of malicious behavior.
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tripzilch 7y ago
The alternative is those websites not using third party ads with third party trackers on it. Adblockers already do not block those (cause they're indistinguishable from image links). If they really just want my eyeballs they know how they can get them. But they really want to track me. And I'm not having that. The moment they stop tracking their users through third party ad networks, most adblockers stop blocking (because there's no AI involved and they wouldn't know what to block except images in general). It's in their hands, really. If they want to show me ads they can do it in a normal and decent manner. News websites should in fact be the first to adapt this model, because it's exactly the same thing as ads in print media. But they chose to get those disgusting third party tracking networks involved. And not just one or two. I don't have to put up with that, but I really don't see why there would be an action required on my site to stop blocking those tracking ads.
- conanbatt 7y ago
  Which adblocker do you trust not to track you?
- onli 7y ago
  Just FYI, that's not really true. Adblocker use mostly all the same filter lists and those do regularly block ads that just are regular images, and even text notes. https://www.troyhunt.com/ad-blockers-are-part-of-the-problem/ https://www.troyhunt.com/ad-blockers-are-part-of-the-problem... is an example, even if that specific one got resolved Adblock Plus has the ability to not block ads that conform to a certain standard, but in addition to conform to standards ad publishers need to pay for that. At least that's what they claim.
  - kgwxd 7y ago
    "Adblock Plus has the ability to not block ads that conform to a certain standard" Not my standard. Ad blockers should be rebranded as "tracking blockers" so everyone calls them that. Then sites would have to ask you to "disable your tracking blocker", which sounds scary as hell to users, as it should.
  - galangalalgol 7y ago
cattitude 7y ago
What? This has Nothing to do with "Ads". It has to do with malicious scripts and gratuitous webtrash that sucks up resources. The instant Mozilla turned off my "Noscript", I got one of those phishing popups that pretends to be from Microsuck and totally locks up Firefux. On a machine with limited memory, cores, or what-have-you, every webprogrammer's special cute little "Animation" will run, gratuitously, and slow your machine down so much that it becomes unusable. Maybe "Advertisers" need to finger out how to write adaptive code that doesn't depend on cutesy little videos that choke older systems to death. (I notice Amazon has done that... you can run it on nearly anything. Which is why... oh, never mind.)

by mrep 7y ago

hnaccy 7y ago

>nothing ever bad happens. With ads: either it takes me half a second to tell I'm not interested in an ad, or I actually am interested and i follow the ad because I am interested and I want to support the website. You just described something bad.

mrep 7y ago
Assuming you mean that half second looking at the ad: Name a better alternative for funding the internet. Paywalls at every website?
- Nicksil 7y ago
  >Assuming you mean that half second looking at the ad: Name a better alternative for funding the internet. Paywalls at every website? Funding the Internet? What you're talking about (ads) is a revenue stream for what amounts to a handful of websites. google.com, amazon.com, ycombinator.com, reddit.com, thefacebook.com, tweeter.com, etc. could all go offline right now and the Internet would still be here.
  - gugagore 7y ago
    That doesn't sound right. What about all the other websites with ads, like recipe sites, guitar chords, porn, diy, etc.? or apps on the Google play store with ads?
    - luckylion 7y ago
      I run sites that don't have ads. I don't make any money off of them. I still run them. Seems like a lot of people in software development think similarly.
      - sleavey 7y ago
        This is the web that I like. Hobbyists and volunteers running low-fi websites for common interests. I'm not against commercial sites like Netflix but don't think every last blog should be monetised.
      - ajoy39 7y ago
        How do you pay your bills? If running those websites were your full time job, would you still be okay not making any money off of them? Or have you just decided that only people who have other income should have websites?
    - Nicksil 7y ago
      I don't understand your question; what about them? The websites are just nodes of the Internet. And I don't understand at all why you brought up Google app store apps, so I'll refrain from commenting on that until I better understand your point.
      - gugagore 7y ago
        It doesn't feel like a handful of websites. It feels like the dominant experience of the internet for most people. Ads are a source of revenue for many more websites than just a handful. They are also a source of revenue for more than a handful of apps. I
- dorgo 7y ago
  An open, transparent, convenient, anonymous protocol for micro payments, with good cost contol build into browsers.
  - VMG 7y ago
    It is coming :) https://lightningjoule.com/ https://lightningjoule.com/
- tripzilch 7y ago
  You really seem to care a lot about this, let me guess, you work in adtech?
daveFNbuck 7y ago
What's bad about supporting a site you like while learning about something that interests you? If this were really all ads were I wouldn't block them.
- johnchristopher 7y ago
  That's not what the post says at all.
  - daveFNbuck 7y ago
    The person who I am responding to said the following describes something bad: > either it takes me half a second to tell I'm not interested in an ad, or I actually am interested and i follow the ad because I am interested and I want to support the website The second half of that sentence is precisely what I'm describing. Do you disagree with my characterization of that sentence? I assume they included that part in the quote rather than cutting it off earlier because this was part of what they were saying is bad. Do you disagree with me there?

luckylion 7y ago

> With ads: either it takes me half a second to tell I'm not interested in an ad, or I actually am interested and i follow the ad because I am interested and I want to support the website. If ads weren't doubling as tracking beacons and the occasional malicious drive by download, that certainly would be an option.

nilkn 7y ago

It’s the sheer number of trackers online that really pushes me to use lots of security extensions. I really can’t support that kind of malicious behavior.

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tripzilch 7y ago

The alternative is those websites not using third party ads with third party trackers on it. Adblockers already do not block those (cause they're indistinguishable from image links). If they really just want my eyeballs they know how they can get them. But they really want to track me. And I'm not having that. The moment they stop tracking their users through third party ad networks, most adblockers stop blocking (because there's no AI involved and they wouldn't know what to block except images in general). It's in their hands, really. If they want to show me ads they can do it in a normal and decent manner. News websites should in fact be the first to adapt this model, because it's exactly the same thing as ads in print media. But they chose to get those disgusting third party tracking networks involved. And not just one or two. I don't have to put up with that, but I really don't see why there would be an action required on my site to stop blocking those tracking ads.

conanbatt 7y ago
Which adblocker do you trust not to track you?
onli 7y ago
Just FYI, that's not really true. Adblocker use mostly all the same filter lists and those do regularly block ads that just are regular images, and even text notes. https://www.troyhunt.com/ad-blockers-are-part-of-the-problem/ https://www.troyhunt.com/ad-blockers-are-part-of-the-problem... is an example, even if that specific one got resolved Adblock Plus has the ability to not block ads that conform to a certain standard, but in addition to conform to standards ad publishers need to pay for that. At least that's what they claim.
- kgwxd 7y ago
  "Adblock Plus has the ability to not block ads that conform to a certain standard" Not my standard. Ad blockers should be rebranded as "tracking blockers" so everyone calls them that. Then sites would have to ask you to "disable your tracking blocker", which sounds scary as hell to users, as it should.
- galangalalgol 7y ago

cattitude 7y ago

What? This has Nothing to do with "Ads". It has to do with malicious scripts and gratuitous webtrash that sucks up resources. The instant Mozilla turned off my "Noscript", I got one of those phishing popups that pretends to be from Microsuck and totally locks up Firefux. On a machine with limited memory, cores, or what-have-you, every webprogrammer's special cute little "Animation" will run, gratuitously, and slow your machine down so much that it becomes unusable. Maybe "Advertisers" need to finger out how to write adaptive code that doesn't depend on cutesy little videos that choke older systems to death. (I notice Amazon has done that... you can run it on nearly anything. Which is why... oh, never mind.)