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A similar case can be made for Chinese tech companies, many of whom are actively complicit in human rights violations [1] [2]. Yet EU countries like Italy have

A similar case can be made for Chinese tech companies, many of whom are actively complicit in human rights violations [1] [2]. Yet EU countries like Italy have no qualms about supporting the geopolitical aims of China, inevitably strengthening the position of the Chinese tech companies. Which should come to no surprise given their close ties to the communist party [3] [4]. [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-01/alibaba-backed-face-scans-show-big-tech-ties-to-china-s-xinjiang https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-01/alibaba-b... [2] https://www.thestar.com/news/huawei/2019/03/27/canadas-partnership-with-huawei-immoral-as-well-as-risky-researcher-suggests-as-report-calls-out-human-rights-abuses.html https://www.thestar.com/news/huawei/2019/03/27/canadas-partn... [3] https://www.ft.com/content/5d0af3c4-846c-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d https://www.ft.com/content/5d0af3c4-846c-11e8-a29d-73e3d4545... [4] https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/tech/china-tech-communist-party/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/tech/china-tech-communist-par...

markdown 7y ago
> A similar case can be made for Chinese companies, many of whom are actively complicit in human rights violations Snowden showed us that US companies routinely do this, with FISA forcing them to participate just like the Chinese Govt does to Chinese companies. Also, US law only protects the human rights of US citizens, while non-citizens get their privacy invaded routinely (in contravention of Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights).
- andreilys 7y ago
  US tech companies routinely aid the government in systematic ethnic cleansing [1]? Also last time I remember there being a showdown on privacy between Apple and the FBI, Apple refused their request to side-load software that would allow them to crack a terrorists phone. I can't imagine Huawei being able to refuse such a request from the Communist party. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/ethnic-cleansing-makes-a-comeback--in-china/2018/08/02/55f73fa2-9691-11e8-810c-5fa705927d54_story.html?utm_term=.658166352bf7 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/ethn...
  - Shivetya 7y ago
    well many of them have no problem using China for a manufacturing base and frankly how is that different from companies based there? I scoff at companies like Apple touting their concern for rights when they effectively turn a blind eye to China's behavior because the market is too valuable
  - markdown 7y ago
    > US tech companies routinely aid the government in systematic ethnic cleansing [1]? Perhaps you're responding to the wrong comment. This thread is about the invasion of ones human right to privacy. As for the other point, the public show by Apple is irrelevant... of course they publicly refuse to cooperate with the FBI. FISA warrants are secret though and in any case, would have no ability to refuse an order from a FISA court.
- whynotminot 7y ago
  This false equivalence is incredibly, incredibly dangerous.
hungryhobo 7y ago
Whataboutism
- ggm 7y ago
  A rebuttal which ignores the problem of moral relativism. Yes, it whataboutism. No,it doesn't mean it can be ignored. If our privilege is to critique the other and refuse to fix our own, we're all impoverished. Also, strong biblical roots to whataboutism in the mote/beam parable no?
vfclists 7y ago
I guess unlike the EU China displays no interest in "flooding "Europe with illegal immigrants of incompatible cultures from third world countries.
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markdown 7y ago

> A similar case can be made for Chinese companies, many of whom are actively complicit in human rights violations Snowden showed us that US companies routinely do this, with FISA forcing them to participate just like the Chinese Govt does to Chinese companies. Also, US law only protects the human rights of US citizens, while non-citizens get their privacy invaded routinely (in contravention of Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights).

andreilys 7y ago
US tech companies routinely aid the government in systematic ethnic cleansing [1]? Also last time I remember there being a showdown on privacy between Apple and the FBI, Apple refused their request to side-load software that would allow them to crack a terrorists phone. I can't imagine Huawei being able to refuse such a request from the Communist party. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/ethnic-cleansing-makes-a-comeback--in-china/2018/08/02/55f73fa2-9691-11e8-810c-5fa705927d54_story.html?utm_term=.658166352bf7 https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/ethn...
- Shivetya 7y ago
  well many of them have no problem using China for a manufacturing base and frankly how is that different from companies based there? I scoff at companies like Apple touting their concern for rights when they effectively turn a blind eye to China's behavior because the market is too valuable
- markdown 7y ago
  > US tech companies routinely aid the government in systematic ethnic cleansing [1]? Perhaps you're responding to the wrong comment. This thread is about the invasion of ones human right to privacy. As for the other point, the public show by Apple is irrelevant... of course they publicly refuse to cooperate with the FBI. FISA warrants are secret though and in any case, would have no ability to refuse an order from a FISA court.
whynotminot 7y ago
This false equivalence is incredibly, incredibly dangerous.

hungryhobo 7y ago

Whataboutism

ggm 7y ago
A rebuttal which ignores the problem of moral relativism. Yes, it whataboutism. No,it doesn't mean it can be ignored. If our privilege is to critique the other and refuse to fix our own, we're all impoverished. Also, strong biblical roots to whataboutism in the mote/beam parable no?

vfclists 7y ago

I guess unlike the EU China displays no interest in "flooding "Europe with illegal immigrants of incompatible cultures from third world countries.

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