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Hey friend, don’t judge. The world is progressing as it should. There are a lot of people and we don’t really know how to give them super productive things to d

Hey friend, don’t judge. The world is progressing as it should. There are a lot of people and we don’t really know how to give them super productive things to do, so they chase what they want. We have enough food to feed the world, and yet can’t due to human nature. Gender and sexuality and identity and really all of reality is fluid. Seriously, it’s good that you’ve found solace in Catholicism, spread the word and help other people who may benefit, but don’t cast judgement on people living their lives.

sdegutis 7y ago
I'm in no way judging other people's souls, but we can and must judge right and wrong for ourselves. And if, along the way of learning right from wrong for ourselves, we realize that right and wrong applies to more than just ourselves, and we find solid evidence of this, we must believe accordingly. Truth is Truth. Reality is not fluid, our existence is very real, and so are the laws of reality just as real as the laws of physics. They apply to all people at all times, and they still would have even if you and I were never born.
- dangoor 7y ago
  > Truth is Truth. Reality is not fluid, our existence is very real, and so are the laws of reality just as real as the laws of physics. But we still learn, right? Some things we once thought to be real turned out to not be. From Wikipedia[1]: > The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture". I believe there are plenty of gaps in human knowledge into which people can pour their faith and turn to religion for answers. Some of those answers may one day prove to be correct and others prove to be wrong. For more than half the existence of the Roman Catholic Church, they believed that the sun went around the Earth. It was a model that seemed plain as day. It was also wrong. I agree with your statement "we can and must judge right and wrong for ourselves". I also believe in being humble with respect to what we "know" to be true. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
  - sdegutis 7y ago
    That's a very complicated subject. Read it from a pro-Catholic perspective if you truly are unbiased, and you will see that it is not as cut and dry as you'd think. Incidentally I was just reading about it again the other day from this Catholic Dictionary printed in 1885: https://archive.org/details/catholicdictiona00addirich/page/360 https://archive.org/details/catholicdictiona00addirich/page/... It starts on the bottom of the right page. Click the right page to go to the next. Archive.org is wonderful.
    - dangoor 7y ago
      Thanks for the link, though the exact nature of the inquiry into Galileo was not my point. It was accepted _as truth_ that the sun went around Earth by a great many people back then. Going back up the chain in this thread, pesmhey said: > Gender and sexuality and identity and really all of reality is fluid. To which you replied: > Truth is Truth. Reality is not fluid, our existence is very real, and so are the laws of reality just as real as the laws of physics. I can't speak to what pesmhey intended with "all of reality is fluid", and I don't agree with that as phrased… What we perceive as reality is limited by our understanding of it. If you look up and watch the sun travel across the sky, it's easy to think that the sun goes around the Earth, just as the moon does. It would be folly to say that humanity collectively hasn't learned a ton about human biology over the past 100 years. When it comes to gender, sexuality, and identity, we're continuing to learn and what may be seen as "truth" today may prove to be not quite right with more knowledge. Just this week, in fact, there was the news about Caster Semenya and how the olympic folks think her testosterone levels are too high for her to compete as a woman[1]. 100 years ago, they couldn't have tested for that (testosterone was apparently discovered around 1890[2], so I don't think they would have had tests for levels of the hormone then). To be clear, I'm not trying to make a point about the Catholic Church, but rather about truth and reality. The Catholic Church can move forward with time. I wish more people in this country would get on board with Laudato si[3] and see "climate as a common good" that we need to take seriously. (Of course, most people in the US are already on board with respect to the need to address climate issues, but those holdouts are a problem.) FWIW, I acknowledge that progress is not always forward and that there are, indeed, aspects to our current time that will prove to be objectively problematic when we look back at them from some time in the future (just as there always have been). I don't know how common it is in actual practice, but I think stifling contentious discourse at universities is likely to be harmful for the advancement of knowledge over time. Anyhow, this has become a ramble, and it wasn't really my intention to write an essay. Given that, I'll just stop rather than write a proper conclusion. Sorry :) [1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-caster-semenyas-case-could-alter-the-landscape-of-womens-sport https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-caster-semenyas-case-c... [2]: https://youmemindbody.com/reproductive-health/The-Elixir-of-Life-A-Brief-History-of-Testosterone https://youmemindbody.com/reproductive-health/The-Elixir-of-... [3]: https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/docum...

sdegutis 7y ago

I'm in no way judging other people's souls, but we can and must judge right and wrong for ourselves. And if, along the way of learning right from wrong for ourselves, we realize that right and wrong applies to more than just ourselves, and we find solid evidence of this, we must believe accordingly. Truth is Truth. Reality is not fluid, our existence is very real, and so are the laws of reality just as real as the laws of physics. They apply to all people at all times, and they still would have even if you and I were never born.

dangoor 7y ago
> Truth is Truth. Reality is not fluid, our existence is very real, and so are the laws of reality just as real as the laws of physics. But we still learn, right? Some things we once thought to be real turned out to not be. From Wikipedia[1]: > The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture". I believe there are plenty of gaps in human knowledge into which people can pour their faith and turn to religion for answers. Some of those answers may one day prove to be correct and others prove to be wrong. For more than half the existence of the Roman Catholic Church, they believed that the sun went around the Earth. It was a model that seemed plain as day. It was also wrong. I agree with your statement "we can and must judge right and wrong for ourselves". I also believe in being humble with respect to what we "know" to be true. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
- sdegutis 7y ago
  That's a very complicated subject. Read it from a pro-Catholic perspective if you truly are unbiased, and you will see that it is not as cut and dry as you'd think. Incidentally I was just reading about it again the other day from this Catholic Dictionary printed in 1885: https://archive.org/details/catholicdictiona00addirich/page/360 https://archive.org/details/catholicdictiona00addirich/page/... It starts on the bottom of the right page. Click the right page to go to the next. Archive.org is wonderful.
  - dangoor 7y ago
    Thanks for the link, though the exact nature of the inquiry into Galileo was not my point. It was accepted _as truth_ that the sun went around Earth by a great many people back then. Going back up the chain in this thread, pesmhey said: > Gender and sexuality and identity and really all of reality is fluid. To which you replied: > Truth is Truth. Reality is not fluid, our existence is very real, and so are the laws of reality just as real as the laws of physics. I can't speak to what pesmhey intended with "all of reality is fluid", and I don't agree with that as phrased… What we perceive as reality is limited by our understanding of it. If you look up and watch the sun travel across the sky, it's easy to think that the sun goes around the Earth, just as the moon does. It would be folly to say that humanity collectively hasn't learned a ton about human biology over the past 100 years. When it comes to gender, sexuality, and identity, we're continuing to learn and what may be seen as "truth" today may prove to be not quite right with more knowledge. Just this week, in fact, there was the news about Caster Semenya and how the olympic folks think her testosterone levels are too high for her to compete as a woman[1]. 100 years ago, they couldn't have tested for that (testosterone was apparently discovered around 1890[2], so I don't think they would have had tests for levels of the hormone then). To be clear, I'm not trying to make a point about the Catholic Church, but rather about truth and reality. The Catholic Church can move forward with time. I wish more people in this country would get on board with Laudato si[3] and see "climate as a common good" that we need to take seriously. (Of course, most people in the US are already on board with respect to the need to address climate issues, but those holdouts are a problem.) FWIW, I acknowledge that progress is not always forward and that there are, indeed, aspects to our current time that will prove to be objectively problematic when we look back at them from some time in the future (just as there always have been). I don't know how common it is in actual practice, but I think stifling contentious discourse at universities is likely to be harmful for the advancement of knowledge over time. Anyhow, this has become a ramble, and it wasn't really my intention to write an essay. Given that, I'll just stop rather than write a proper conclusion. Sorry :) [1] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-caster-semenyas-case-could-alter-the-landscape-of-womens-sport https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-caster-semenyas-case-c... [2]: https://youmemindbody.com/reproductive-health/The-Elixir-of-Life-A-Brief-History-of-Testosterone https://youmemindbody.com/reproductive-health/The-Elixir-of-... [3]: https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html https://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/docum...