Eh, they're an organization I'll never give money to because of their anti mountain bike stance, but the national level one is pretty good on most 'urbanism' ty

Eh, they're an organization I'll never give money to because of their anti mountain bike stance, but the national level one is pretty good on most 'urbanism' type issues. They understand that denser living leads to less sprawl, that cars are horrible for the environment, long commutes are bad, and so on. The SF group seems to just stick their fingers in their ears and shout "I'VE GOT MINE GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE STOCKTON OR MAYBE IOWA".