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There's a huge connection between housing and transportation, one affects the other in profound ways. NIMBY Environmentalist, please take note: For example, in

There's a huge connection between housing and transportation, one affects the other in profound ways. NIMBY Environmentalist, please take note: For example, in the bay area, high housing prices push people to the outer boundaries of the bay for housing, like Tracy, Stockton and beyond. Imagine the impact on the environment as most people are commuting 100+ miles per day more than if they were simply allowed to live where they work.

davidw 7y ago
> NIMBY Environmentalist This is a real thing. Exhibit A is the San Francisco Sierra Club. https://www.thebaycitybeacon.com/politics/the-sierra-club-fights-to-save-a-parking-garage/article_93ff9084-3be7-11e7-a3a8-17f11f24db6e.html https://www.thebaycitybeacon.com/politics/the-sierra-club-fi...
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  As abhorrent as the "San Francisco" multiplier probably makes them you could drop it and the sentence would have the same meaning. The Sierra club won't be happy until humans are not impacting nature because we've left the planet.
  - davidw 7y ago
    Eh, they're an organization I'll never give money to because of their anti mountain bike stance, but the national level one is pretty good on most 'urbanism' type issues. They understand that denser living leads to less sprawl, that cars are horrible for the environment, long commutes are bad, and so on. The SF group seems to just stick their fingers in their ears and shout "I'VE GOT MINE GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE STOCKTON OR MAYBE IOWA".
  - vkou 7y ago
    That's about as fair as saying that the fossil fuel lobby won't be happy until every last living thing on Earth cooks in a Venusian Armageddon. Actually, it's a bit less fair then that.
- bparsons 7y ago
  Usually the opposition to density is just cloaked in environmentalism. When it comes down to it, these are individuals who don't want outsiders moving their community, or new units driving down the explosive growth in property values they have experienced. As usual, it is just greedy people wanting more.
  - holy_city 7y ago
    As a carpetbagger in Southern California, I totally understand the resistance to people like myself moving in. It's not greedy to wish you could maintain the same standard of living and advocate for policies that protect it. It may be unrealistic and have huge costs, but it's not malicious. I'd hate it if I moved into my neighborhood 15 years ago in a low density unit or single family home, and now have to deal with nonstop construction, noise, traffic, and general overcrowding as people keep moving in, property taxes/rents go up, and wages stay the same.
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  - tsss 7y ago
    Or maybe they just don't want more density. You talk like there's only upsides to high-density cities but the people who are living there right now might not be amused about more people, more cramped spaces, more noise and pollution. You can call it greed but it is, as a matter of fact, a downgrade in quality of life for most of the residents.
    - nerfhammer 7y ago
      No one ever called NIMBYs irrational, it's just that when they always win shortages just get worse and worse and worse
    - yeahitslikethat 7y ago
      In order to save humanity we ALL need to downgrade the quality of our lives. That's exactly the point.

davidw 7y ago

> NIMBY Environmentalist This is a real thing. Exhibit A is the San Francisco Sierra Club. https://www.thebaycitybeacon.com/politics/the-sierra-club-fights-to-save-a-parking-garage/article_93ff9084-3be7-11e7-a3a8-17f11f24db6e.html https://www.thebaycitybeacon.com/politics/the-sierra-club-fi...

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
As abhorrent as the "San Francisco" multiplier probably makes them you could drop it and the sentence would have the same meaning. The Sierra club won't be happy until humans are not impacting nature because we've left the planet.
- davidw 7y ago
  Eh, they're an organization I'll never give money to because of their anti mountain bike stance, but the national level one is pretty good on most 'urbanism' type issues. They understand that denser living leads to less sprawl, that cars are horrible for the environment, long commutes are bad, and so on. The SF group seems to just stick their fingers in their ears and shout "I'VE GOT MINE GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE STOCKTON OR MAYBE IOWA".
- vkou 7y ago
  That's about as fair as saying that the fossil fuel lobby won't be happy until every last living thing on Earth cooks in a Venusian Armageddon. Actually, it's a bit less fair then that.
bparsons 7y ago
Usually the opposition to density is just cloaked in environmentalism. When it comes down to it, these are individuals who don't want outsiders moving their community, or new units driving down the explosive growth in property values they have experienced. As usual, it is just greedy people wanting more.
- holy_city 7y ago
  As a carpetbagger in Southern California, I totally understand the resistance to people like myself moving in. It's not greedy to wish you could maintain the same standard of living and advocate for policies that protect it. It may be unrealistic and have huge costs, but it's not malicious. I'd hate it if I moved into my neighborhood 15 years ago in a low density unit or single family home, and now have to deal with nonstop construction, noise, traffic, and general overcrowding as people keep moving in, property taxes/rents go up, and wages stay the same.
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- tsss 7y ago
  Or maybe they just don't want more density. You talk like there's only upsides to high-density cities but the people who are living there right now might not be amused about more people, more cramped spaces, more noise and pollution. You can call it greed but it is, as a matter of fact, a downgrade in quality of life for most of the residents.
  - nerfhammer 7y ago
    No one ever called NIMBYs irrational, it's just that when they always win shortages just get worse and worse and worse
  - yeahitslikethat 7y ago
    In order to save humanity we ALL need to downgrade the quality of our lives. That's exactly the point.