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At Mess (my agency), we were sort of forced into going with a HDCP, but we found a way for it to be a win for everyone. Our absolutely-perfect no-deductible no
by etchalon 8y ago
At Mess (my agency), we were sort of forced into going with a HDCP, but we found a way for it to be a win for everyone.
Our absolutely-perfect no-deductible no-coinsurance plan was retired, and every year, for five years, the cost of our reasonable-deductible no-coinsurance plan kept going up.
Eventually, our broker convinced us that HDCP was the only way.
But I absolutely hated it.
We have quite a few employees with chronic, expensive conditions. Moving a HDCP (in our case 2K/6K family), effectively meant we were cutting their salaries. They were absolutely going to be paying that deductible.
We also employ a LOT of younger people, who just don't go to the doctor more than once a year, maybe. The HDCP wasn't that big a deal for them.
We looked into HSAs – the thing our broker recommended. These are garbage. In theory, we'd put in some amount of money each month, and eventually, over time, the entire premium would be sitting in an account for the employee. For the young and healthy, this was free money. The move to HCDP+HSA was basically a raise for them.
For the chronically-ill, the rate we'd contribute to their HSA was never going to be fast enough to keep pace with their expenses. And for most people, with most savings levels (near $0), a $1500 bill you'll "eventually get back" is just as unaffordable as one they'd never get bet.
I hate HSAs.
"Look, we know most of our folks are NEVER going to hit their deductible. We know a few folks will. Can't we just give everyone a credit card with a 2K limit that they can use to pay for stuff?"
Meet HRAs.
HRAs are like HSAs, but they're not incrementally funded. Instead, it's basically a credit card whose balance I, the employer, pay. It has an annual limit, which matches each employees annual deductible.
These things are amazing.
1. The employee never has to worry about out of pocket cost. They go to the doctor, the doctor charges their HRA.
2. The company has MUCH lower premiums, because we're on an HCDP. I think we saved like 30% or something moving to it.
3. We have a maximum annual additional cost each employee can ring up in medical costs. Worst case scenario (every employee hitting their deductible) isn't fantastic, but we can plan for it.
4. The normal-case scenario is a that a handful of employees hit their deductible very quickly at the beginning of the year, and the rest barely use their HRA at all.
I do not understand why more companies don't do HRAs given the above.
- trynewideas 8y agoTaxes. HRAs can be a huge headache for employees (never employers). SEHRAs also have a bad reputation for being the worst of both HSA and more traditional insurance plans: underfunded, high overhead for employees, all for severely limited provider choice. ICHRAs (individual-coverage) are the real bridge between HSAs and traditional insurance—you can use them as an HRA-style account _or_ use the money to buy an insurance plan off a marketplace. While it still pushes the burden of choosing and managing health care onto the employee, they at least have flexibility in coverage as well as tax benefits for both employees and employers. They, uh, also don't exist until 1 Jan 2020, and they give total control to the employer. If you're a good employer, that's great. If you're a shitty one, the employee is easily fucked over.
- etchalon 8y agoI don't get how they'd be headaches for employees? HRA contributions are 100% tax-free and aren't treated as income. It's a pain for my co-founder and I, or would be, if we didn't have someone else doing our taxes.
- ixwt 8y agoMy company did something different. They couldn't negotiate a decent price to keep the already bad $X deductible (which wasn't terrible, but was still classified by the IRS as a HDHP). We have a lot of young people who don't even hit the deductible as it is. So, their compromise was to get a plan with a $2X deductible. BUT they reimburse you for any penny spent over $X before the deductible has been payed. The reimbursement if handled by another company, so the company I work for never sees any medical information.