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> it comes from the Sanskrit 'arya', meaning 'nobleman', and originally referred to a people who spoke an Indo-Iranian language and migrated from Central Asia

> it comes from the Sanskrit 'arya', meaning 'nobleman', and originally referred to a people who spoke an Indo-Iranian language and migrated from Central Asia to India and Iran. I thought it referred to a hypothetical group of ppl who spoke the root language of all indo-european group of languages. It didn't ever refer to a specific group of ppl that are known to exist to us, only hypothetical. I think their name "aryans" is not related to Mueller's aryan invasion theory. Its merely a coincidence. Author seems to have conflated both of those. Sanskrit arya has nothing to do with origins of the tribe or migration from iran.

User23 8y ago
Thanks to David Reich and others like him we know for a fact the invasion theory is true due to genetic evidence. Modern Europeans really are descended from asian warriors, the battle-axe culture[1] (or corded ware culture if you want it to sound boring), who exterminated the old indigenous Europeans about 4000 years ago. [1]https://popular-archaeology.com/article/the-battle-axe-culture/ https://popular-archaeology.com/article/the-battle-axe-cultu...
- noopnoop 8y ago
  Thank you for putting the record straight. All Europeans were descended from India/Asia, yet they fight Indian culture.
- dominotw 8y ago
  yea I am not debating aryan invasion theory( can of worms) only mentioning the fact that tribe being called 'aryan' doesn't imply they are mueller's 'aryans'. Sanskrit word arya has nothing to do with aryan invasion theory.
- HillaryBriss 8y ago
  I read over that article, but where does it discuss extermination? I see statements like this: Professor Anthony suggests that the spread of Yamnaya culture may have been facilitated by a kind of protection racket, in which the Yamnaya warriors would offer settled communities protection from gang activity, in exchange for their vassalage. and Did this conquest take the form of a single, unstoppable wave? Certainly not. This was a process effected in a piecemeal fashion, over the course of millennia... The article mentions a massive influx into the gene pool but I would think this does not rule out, say, subjugation of an existing population and interbreeding.
  - User23 8y ago
    Yes, killing the men, or at least eliminating their mating opportunities, and raping the women. If there is an alternative hypothesis with greater explanatory power that fits the facts I’d love to hear it. How else could the indigenous y haplogroups dissappear altogether?
- mistrial9 8y ago
  your comment appears to emphasize "invasion" .. resolution by war or by cultural means, is a charged topic; lets not start a war about that :p
  - nyolfen 8y ago
    near total displacement of indigenous y chromosome lineages is a pretty strong signal
noopnoop 8y ago
Mueller's theory was very fake & driven by his own nefarious agenda to put down any greatness that may have come out from the Indian subcontinent. Iranians were Persians, nothing to do with "Aryans".
Ar-Curunir 8y ago
No, there is no self-designation of Proto-Indo-European speakers as "Arya". As far as I'm aware, Arya is a term used only by the proto-Indo-Iranian tribes, which branched off from the PIE homeland much later than other branches of Indo-Europeans.

User23 8y ago

Thanks to David Reich and others like him we know for a fact the invasion theory is true due to genetic evidence. Modern Europeans really are descended from asian warriors, the battle-axe culture[1] (or corded ware culture if you want it to sound boring), who exterminated the old indigenous Europeans about 4000 years ago. [1]https://popular-archaeology.com/article/the-battle-axe-culture/ https://popular-archaeology.com/article/the-battle-axe-cultu...

noopnoop 8y ago
Thank you for putting the record straight. All Europeans were descended from India/Asia, yet they fight Indian culture.
dominotw 8y ago
yea I am not debating aryan invasion theory( can of worms) only mentioning the fact that tribe being called 'aryan' doesn't imply they are mueller's 'aryans'. Sanskrit word arya has nothing to do with aryan invasion theory.
HillaryBriss 8y ago
I read over that article, but where does it discuss extermination? I see statements like this: Professor Anthony suggests that the spread of Yamnaya culture may have been facilitated by a kind of protection racket, in which the Yamnaya warriors would offer settled communities protection from gang activity, in exchange for their vassalage. and Did this conquest take the form of a single, unstoppable wave? Certainly not. This was a process effected in a piecemeal fashion, over the course of millennia... The article mentions a massive influx into the gene pool but I would think this does not rule out, say, subjugation of an existing population and interbreeding.
- User23 8y ago
  Yes, killing the men, or at least eliminating their mating opportunities, and raping the women. If there is an alternative hypothesis with greater explanatory power that fits the facts I’d love to hear it. How else could the indigenous y haplogroups dissappear altogether?
mistrial9 8y ago
your comment appears to emphasize "invasion" .. resolution by war or by cultural means, is a charged topic; lets not start a war about that :p
- nyolfen 8y ago
  near total displacement of indigenous y chromosome lineages is a pretty strong signal

noopnoop 8y ago

Mueller's theory was very fake & driven by his own nefarious agenda to put down any greatness that may have come out from the Indian subcontinent. Iranians were Persians, nothing to do with "Aryans".

Ar-Curunir 8y ago

No, there is no self-designation of Proto-Indo-European speakers as "Arya". As far as I'm aware, Arya is a term used only by the proto-Indo-Iranian tribes, which branched off from the PIE homeland much later than other branches of Indo-Europeans.