> but let's not pretend me or you are responsible for the industrial levels of pollution Let's instead pretend our chosen lifestyle of abundance and wastefulne

> but let's not pretend me or you are responsible for the industrial levels of pollution Let's instead pretend our chosen lifestyle of abundance and wastefulness doesn't factor into any of this at all? Who do you think these companies are selling their products to? Thus financing their operations in the first place? Externalizing the blame for this solely on the industry, like consumers have zero responsibility or impact, might be convenient but imho it only serves to shift the blame from one party to the other and vice versa, so that ultimately nobody feels responsible and thus nobody starts acting. To tackle this will require efforts on both ends. Because the industry will simply react by "There's demand for it, so we do it", while consumers go "The industry is doing it, somebody needs to force them to change, but don't you dare to inconvenience ME!". Literally, nothing stops us from doing both: Being responsible consumers and properly regulating the industry.