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>The NYT employs enough disingenuous obfuscators Examples?

OneWordSoln 8y ago
Maggie Haberman and one other guy whose name I forget. And their editorial page has problems aplenty, which are evidence of who their owners really support. Finally, one of these days, someone is going to have to call Trump precisely what he is: an inveterate liar.
- scrollaway 8y ago
  I think by "examples" GP meant examples of "obfuscation" as you call it, rather than just names.
  - OneWordSoln 8y ago
    I mean obfuscation as in downplaying the seriousness of the crimes of Trump et al. She has been a part of normalizing their deviance and that is the single most effective technique the disingenuous can use to thwart the change we need so badly. It's not Soviet-era propaganda, it's just a nudge away from the truth of how corrupt and amoral our current government is. It pushes us from the righteous anger at their machinations towards "they've done some not-good things"; therein lies a world of difference. Read Marcy Wheeler at emptywheel.net. Her "potty mouth" is wholly appropriate and her reporting is top-notch.
    - Angostura 8y ago
      Can you give a good example of where the crimes of Trump were downplayed?
    - krastanov 8y ago
      ... the NYT is the outlet that broke a number of stories discovering many of the crimes of the Trumps
- selimthegrim 8y ago
  I don't think Haberman's shtick gets a rise out of anyone these days anymore.
- ineedasername 8y ago
  You still haven't given examples of the obfuscation. It appears you're simply naming people with whom you disagree.
  - OneWordSoln 8y ago
    I named the "obfuscators" just as I was asked to.
    - ineedasername 8y ago
      Okay, if I grant you that, then I'll ask the followup: What examples of obfuscation do you have? And as a followup to that, why do you interpret it as obfuscation rather than an honest difference in opinion?
      - OneWordSoln 8y ago
        If you go to emptywheel.net and search for 'Haberman', you will see the many examples cited by the excellent Ms. Wheeler. There are 18 results. Perhaps they are not all critical of Ms. Haberman, but the one I chose to read (the 3rd, "NYT's Trump Interview: Money for Nothing and Clicks for Free") most certainly was. Marcy Wheeler deserves a Pulitzer Prize for her work.
- bookofjoe 8y ago
  Wait a sec — Trump despises Haberman.

Maggie Haberman and one other guy whose name I forget. And their editorial page has problems aplenty, which are evidence of who their owners really support. Finally, one of these days, someone is going to have to call Trump precisely what he is: an inveterate liar.

scrollaway 8y ago
I think by "examples" GP meant examples of "obfuscation" as you call it, rather than just names.
- OneWordSoln 8y ago
  I mean obfuscation as in downplaying the seriousness of the crimes of Trump et al. She has been a part of normalizing their deviance and that is the single most effective technique the disingenuous can use to thwart the change we need so badly. It's not Soviet-era propaganda, it's just a nudge away from the truth of how corrupt and amoral our current government is. It pushes us from the righteous anger at their machinations towards "they've done some not-good things"; therein lies a world of difference. Read Marcy Wheeler at emptywheel.net. Her "potty mouth" is wholly appropriate and her reporting is top-notch.
  - Angostura 8y ago
    Can you give a good example of where the crimes of Trump were downplayed?
  - krastanov 8y ago
    ... the NYT is the outlet that broke a number of stories discovering many of the crimes of the Trumps
selimthegrim 8y ago
I don't think Haberman's shtick gets a rise out of anyone these days anymore.
ineedasername 8y ago
You still haven't given examples of the obfuscation. It appears you're simply naming people with whom you disagree.
- OneWordSoln 8y ago
  I named the "obfuscators" just as I was asked to.
  - ineedasername 8y ago
    Okay, if I grant you that, then I'll ask the followup: What examples of obfuscation do you have? And as a followup to that, why do you interpret it as obfuscation rather than an honest difference in opinion?
    - OneWordSoln 8y ago
      If you go to emptywheel.net and search for 'Haberman', you will see the many examples cited by the excellent Ms. Wheeler. There are 18 results. Perhaps they are not all critical of Ms. Haberman, but the one I chose to read (the 3rd, "NYT's Trump Interview: Money for Nothing and Clicks for Free") most certainly was. Marcy Wheeler deserves a Pulitzer Prize for her work.
bookofjoe 8y ago
Wait a sec — Trump despises Haberman.