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Glassdoor says for a software engineer there it's between 50-57k GBP, which is about 65-75k USD
by albertgoeswoof 7y ago
Glassdoor says for a software engineer there it's between 50-57k GBP, which is about 65-75k USD
- C1sc0cat 7y agoNot to bad for the UK
- ThePadawan 7y agoBut pretty bad for Europe overall (?)
- C1sc0cat 7y agoAs I understand it its good compared to France and Germany - maybe Switzerland would get you more but Switzerland is expensive It is less than a train driver gets for a 4 day week though :-(
- ThePadawan 7y agoI was thinking purchasing parity-adjusted, where Berlin seems a lot more affordable [0]. Switzerland (where I currently live) isn't such a clear-cut picture, as you say [1]. I earn more than what Numbeo suggests, and that is nowhere close to the top of the salary range. [0] https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=Germany&city2=Berlin&amount=4%2C750.00&displayCurrency=GBP https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou... [1] https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&city1=London&country2=Switzerland&city2=Zurich&amount=4%2C750.00&displayCurrency=GBP https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...
- davnicwil 7y agoJust from my personal experience, having lived in both London and Berlin within the past 2 years, the affordability gap seems to me to be closing fast between Berlin and London. If anyone is making a London vs Berlin decision in 2019, I would advise take a really detailed look at the cost of living numbers if it's an important factor in your decision. To be honest there are many other important differences and tradeoffs between the two cities that make a like-for-like lifestyle comparison basically impossible, but just assuming for a second you could do so, the days of simply assuming Berlin will be significantly cheaper without having to think about the details too much I think are over.
- jashmatthews 7y agoI looked into this extensively after getting an offer to move from Berlin to London and renting somewhere like Wapping in London was still 3x the price of renting in Mitte in Berlin. It takes a lot of additional salary to make up a difference of 2000 euros a month post tax.
- davnicwil 7y agoYeah, that's fair - the big caveat with London is that you'll basically be renting in zone 2 outwards if optimising cost of living is in any way important to you. That's one of the tradeoffs I always forget when comparing Berlin and London. Though to be fair, London being what it is, plenty of places in zone 2 still very much feel like bustling city living if that's your thing. Berlin, less so - once you're out of the central neighbourhoods it gets 'suburban' rather more quickly.
- C1sc0cat 7y agoBerlin is an outlier it used to be this strange cold war limbo place until relatively recently - thought that is now changing
- eitally 7y agofwiw (more anecdata), Switzerland has Google's highest pay scale of any office around the world, including NYC & the Bay Area... and it's not even all that close (something like 10-15% difference).
- caprese 7y agoSwiss trains are really expensive though, 20 min ride from Zurich to Zug is like $35 one way. thats a good racket they got going there I would expect train drivers to get a hefty cut of that Is that not a respected trade there? Or perhaps unskilled labor in comparison to these jobs?
- maccard 7y agoI think he's talking about the tube drivers [0] [0] https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/london-tube-drivers-earning-100-000-a-year-qtn8cc9gh https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/london-tube-drivers-earni...
- C1sc0cat 7y agoI was thinking of Thames link 60k basic for 4 day week plus OT plus Final Salary Pension.
- ThePadawan 7y agoIt seems closer to 18CHF, ~ 17USD, after a cursory search. This is actually cheaper than buying 3.22 Big Macs would be, compared across both countries [0]. [0] https://www.bigmacindexconverter.com/ https://www.bigmacindexconverter.com/
- caprese 7y agoSo the round trip is 35? Must have got my tickets mixed up
- ThePadawan 7y agoSeems so, or you found a train faster than 26min.
- macca321 7y agoNot too good for london
- benj111 7y agoAre most of The Guardians offices in London? It did start off as The Manchester Guardian after all.
- NeedMoreTea 7y agoNot sure they have anything left in Manchester now. They moved to London decades ago, and sold off the Evening News sometime in the 00s. I think MEN was the last significant presence. If anything remains I expect it's a minor operation.
- albertgoeswoof 7y agoMost non junior developers in the UK (edit: in London) are contractors which starts at about 250 gbp/day, but average is probably more like 600/day. Can easily be as high as 1200 though. So a contractor with 5 or 6 years experience can easily make over 100k/annum if you knock off some time for holidays, pensions, gaps between contracts etc.
- pm215 7y agoDo you have a source for "most" here? Most of the senior devs I know are full-time non-contractors (though that is quite possibly just a property of my friend group and location (Cambridge)).
- ErrantX 7y agoThat's not really true. Day rate for a decent SE contractor is about 400/500 (but ofc they don't get that, as mostly private contracting is rare). But the big thing I disagree with is "most"... the perm industry in the UK is strong!
- madeofpalk 7y ago> but ofc they don't get that, as mostly private contracting is rare Is it? I've been contracting in the UK (through my own limited company ofc) for the past two years, at the top end of your band, and had no impression that what I do is rare. I'm glad to see this thread actually, for my next gig I'll definitely push for more money.
- C1sc0cat 7y agoShure your really outside IR35 ?
- madeofpalk 7y ago¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to the best of my ability
- ErrantX 7y ago
- chrisseaton 7y agoYou would seriously struggle on that in central London.
- pledg 7y agoIt isn't a particularly high salary for an experienced developer here in London, but struggle is an exaggeration. The majority of people in the UK and even central London are paid less than this.
- chrisseaton 7y agoI doubt that’s true for professionals working in central London. Where would you live on that much money? You’ll spend your life and most of your money commuting!
- Joeboy 7y agoLive in Zone 3, spend maybe an hour and seven quid a day on the tube? London rents are outrageous, but not so outrageous you can't afford to live there on £50-57k.
- chrisseaton 7y agoYou’re supposed to not spend more than three times your salary on your house, according to most lenders. So that’s £150k. Are there many houses that cheap in Zone 3?
- pledg 7y agoNo, that's why a vast proportion of people can't afford to buy.
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