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Hikikimori is not synonymous with introversion.

Nomentatus 7y ago
Only "H implies I" is necessary for his statement to go through, not "H IFF I." Do you intend to say that recluses who are mostly interested in what other people are up to, or think, exist?
- ionised 7y ago
  But he didn't make a statement, he asked a question about why the previous poster mentioned Japan with regards to extraversion when they have such a thing as hikikimori. By comparing the two he appears to be suggesting that hikikimori are just introverts, and as such proof that Japan does in fact have a cultural obsession with extraversion. It's not the assertion that Japan is a largely extraverted country that I took issue with (though I would say it is debatable), it was the (it seems to me) equating of introverts and hikikimori. I just wanted to point out that hikikimori are not introverts. Introversion is not a mental illness. Hikikimori may very well be, depending on the individual. I find that most people have a poor understanding of the introversion/extraversion spectrum and wrongly attribute things like social anxiety, timidity, lack of confidence agoraphobia etc. to introversion. Then again I may have misunderstood the point of his question and read too much into it.
bsder 7y ago
> Hikikimori is not synonymous with introversion. Hikikomori sure as hell isn't extroversion. It's going to encompass a lot of introverts. And it is considered at the level of an offense against society. > No one there is considered strange for being a bit stiff and un-expressive. While you may not be expected to express your emotions, Japan has lots of public "rituals" that you WILL comply with or be labeled "strange". (The late evening salaryman drinking party, for example.) Maybe it's not "extroversion" toward strangers, but Japan is extremely uptight about your interactions within your "in-group". You will interact and you will show proper deference, etc. Attempting to duck these public rituals or not interacting at them with gusto will very quickly get you approbation. That's extremely hostile to introverts--probably more so than even the US where there are areas where people will simply leave you alone.

Only "H implies I" is necessary for his statement to go through, not "H IFF I." Do you intend to say that recluses who are mostly interested in what other people are up to, or think, exist?

ionised 7y ago
But he didn't make a statement, he asked a question about why the previous poster mentioned Japan with regards to extraversion when they have such a thing as hikikimori. By comparing the two he appears to be suggesting that hikikimori are just introverts, and as such proof that Japan does in fact have a cultural obsession with extraversion. It's not the assertion that Japan is a largely extraverted country that I took issue with (though I would say it is debatable), it was the (it seems to me) equating of introverts and hikikimori. I just wanted to point out that hikikimori are not introverts. Introversion is not a mental illness. Hikikimori may very well be, depending on the individual. I find that most people have a poor understanding of the introversion/extraversion spectrum and wrongly attribute things like social anxiety, timidity, lack of confidence agoraphobia etc. to introversion. Then again I may have misunderstood the point of his question and read too much into it.

bsder 7y ago

> Hikikimori is not synonymous with introversion. Hikikomori sure as hell isn't extroversion. It's going to encompass a lot of introverts. And it is considered at the level of an offense against society. > No one there is considered strange for being a bit stiff and un-expressive. While you may not be expected to express your emotions, Japan has lots of public "rituals" that you WILL comply with or be labeled "strange". (The late evening salaryman drinking party, for example.) Maybe it's not "extroversion" toward strangers, but Japan is extremely uptight about your interactions within your "in-group". You will interact and you will show proper deference, etc. Attempting to duck these public rituals or not interacting at them with gusto will very quickly get you approbation. That's extremely hostile to introverts--probably more so than even the US where there are areas where people will simply leave you alone.