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Lib Dem and Green Party, that are Remain/People's vote Parties have made huge gains though

by ptah 8y ago

Zenst 8y ago
But then the Lib Dems took a beating last time these elections came to pass and whatever happened, they were going to get more seats on the rebound. Sure they gained more but even if you total all the Green and Lib Dem votes - it would still be less than 50% of the votes from these elections. But the Green party have IMHO made huge gains factoring in everything and that is good as frankly IMHO - we have a lack of Green party representation. But to usurp all Green and LibDem voters as being solely interested in the remain camp would be disenfranchising of those voters. After all - these are local election by local people for local issues - nothing to do with brexit beyond protesting vote people who failed to grasp that a local councilor and coulcil has less influence upon Brexit than they do as an individual who has had a say in the matter. Protest votes irk me, as they highlight the democratic voting and say of the people is not robust enough that they are driven to such voting styles. There again I dispise tactical voting - a tactic that both the LibDem and to a lesser extent the Green party have partaken upon. Then the way the LIb Dems go about local election campaign leaflets - from what I have experience - pretty low and immoral tactics used when you get leaflets demonising and bully wording the other parties and neglecting to say what they actually offer. But lets add some context here about the underhand election tactics being used from everybodies favorite source - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/greens-face-more-questions-over-250k-offer-not-to-stand-in-byelection https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/greens-face... But in fairness to the Lib Dems - they have been pretty solid upon their brexit position (after the vote) - dispite being very adamant about respecting the vote no matter what the result....until they lost. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1vhfdSKu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1vhfdSKu4 Frankly - party politics needs to change - I'd love that all local councils were independent as party politics and councils offers no advantage, frankly the opposite.
- ptah 8y ago
  all the analysis i've seen says that brexit is overshadowing local issues. i'm partial to sortition myself: if it's good enough for jury duty, it is good enough for government
  - Zenst 8y ago
    That would work, though with what we have currently - I'd call it QWERTY politics, far from efficient and indeed about as inefficient as you can get and any other layout would be better. Exactly the situation with politics in the UK today and indeed, not just the UK that we see this playing out in some form or another. Maybe one day soon we will move on from a democratic system designed for people who can just write an X and communicate every 5 years towards something more fit for our literate speed of light communications standards we have today.

Lib Dem and Green Party, that are Remain/People's vote Parties have made huge gains though

by ptah 8y ago

Lib Dem and Green Party, that are Remain/People's vote Parties have made huge gains though

But then the Lib Dems took a beating last time these elections came to pass and whatever happened, they were going to get more seats on the rebound. Sure they gained more but even if you total all the Green and Lib Dem votes - it would still be less than 50% of the votes from these elections. But the Green party have IMHO made huge gains factoring in everything and that is good as frankly IMHO - we have a lack of Green party representation. But to usurp all Green and LibDem voters as being solely interested in the remain camp would be disenfranchising of those voters. After all - these are local election by local people for local issues - nothing to do with brexit beyond protesting vote people who failed to grasp that a local councilor and coulcil has less influence upon Brexit than they do as an individual who has had a say in the matter. Protest votes irk me, as they highlight the democratic voting and say of the people is not robust enough that they are driven to such voting styles. There again I dispise tactical voting - a tactic that both the LibDem and to a lesser extent the Green party have partaken upon. Then the way the LIb Dems go about local election campaign leaflets - from what I have experience - pretty low and immoral tactics used when you get leaflets demonising and bully wording the other parties and neglecting to say what they actually offer. But lets add some context here about the underhand election tactics being used from everybodies favorite source - https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/greens-face-more-questions-over-250k-offer-not-to-stand-in-byelection https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/11/greens-face... But in fairness to the Lib Dems - they have been pretty solid upon their brexit position (after the vote) - dispite being very adamant about respecting the vote no matter what the result....until they lost. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1vhfdSKu4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX1vhfdSKu4 Frankly - party politics needs to change - I'd love that all local councils were independent as party politics and councils offers no advantage, frankly the opposite.

ptah 8y ago
all the analysis i've seen says that brexit is overshadowing local issues. i'm partial to sortition myself: if it's good enough for jury duty, it is good enough for government
- Zenst 8y ago
  That would work, though with what we have currently - I'd call it QWERTY politics, far from efficient and indeed about as inefficient as you can get and any other layout would be better. Exactly the situation with politics in the UK today and indeed, not just the UK that we see this playing out in some form or another. Maybe one day soon we will move on from a democratic system designed for people who can just write an X and communicate every 5 years towards something more fit for our literate speed of light communications standards we have today.