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You’re implicitly suggesting that the brain “operates like a piece of machinery” and that we just need to adjust the form of “simulation”. The problem with this
by winter_blue 7y ago
You’re implicitly suggesting that the brain “operates like a piece of machinery” and that we just need to adjust the form of “simulation”. The problem with this is that you’re also implying that the brain (and human mind) is a deterministic system.
The implication of determinism is that everything is predictable. Given a set of inputs, in a deterministic system whose rules we fully know, the output is entirely predictable. We could extend this determinism to the whole universe, and reduce the universe into a pure function 'f' with a some specific initial state 'x'. Starting with f(x), for every unit quantization of time, f is applied on its previous result --- f(f(f....f(x)....))). And that's reality. (If you believe in a Big Crunch / Big Bang cycle, the output of 'f' at some point cycles back to the original 'x'.) The initial state 'x', and the definition of the universe function 'f' _is_ existence -- the totality of all that is.
I don't have any proof that we are not living in a deterministic universe, but all I can say is that, philosophically, I find the idea of determinism to be extremely upsetting. It empties life of any meaning. Why even continue living if everything you do was pre-programmed at the beginning of the universe? Determinism implies that the values of 'f' and 'x' could be blamed for the Holocaust. Moral responsibility becomes meaningless, because everything is pre-programmed. I think a lot of people, if they deep-down believed in this sort of mechanical determinism, they would sink into a very deep deep depression. I struggled with this myself, as a teenager—and I’ve emphatically rejected human mind determinism.
Believing in free will on the other hand, is very empowering. Believing in the concept of free will can in and of itself imbue one's life with a certain degree of meaning, purpose and drive. It means what you choose to do, matters. Life is meaningful; we’re not just empty automatons executing our pre-programmed futures under illusion of choice / free will. We are sentient beings with free being.
From the point of view of physics, I think free will in biological organisms will eventually be proven to some degree. The fact that in the last century, practically every physicist has come to accept that there's a lot of unpredictable behavior in matter, that cannot be deterministically predicted, and can only be described with probability distributions, has been very reassuring. My theory is that free will emanates from somewhere in these probability distributions, and is amplified in living organisms.
- elcomet 7y agoThis is interesting. You are basically saying that free will is the same as non-determinism. I don't think that's the case. For me, non-determinism is just randomness (quantum for example), and doesn't imply free will. Can you just say 'your actions are random, therefore you have free will '? First, 'free will' in the physics sense doesn't really exist. Everything is particles, and particles don't have 'will'. Your body is constituted of particles that follow their own path and interact. This can be deterministic or not, it doesn't matter. Then, you can believe that there is something that we cannot see that can be called 'free will', like a soul, but this is a religious belief. But we can look at free will in the philosophical sense. People have a conscience, they are conscious of themselves, and of their own free will. Also, your actions are only a product of your own inputs (your senses) and your outputs. I believe those are better arguments for defining free will. As free will doesn't exist in physics, we have to give it a definition. And I think this is true whether the universe is deterministic or non deterministic.
- Retra 7y agoOn top of that, you can easily emulate non-determinism in deterministic systems and vice versa. So why would it even matter?
- winter_blue 7y agoIt’s impossible to have actual non-determinism in a deterministic system. Non-determinism is emulated in software using random number generators. If you know the seed (the ‘x’) and the definition of the random function (the ‘f’), you can predict all outputs, analogous to my f(..(x)..) universe above. There’s no programmatic random number generator that is truly random. (I mean random in the sense that it’s entirely unpredictable; not in the sense that the distribution of the random number generator covers all possibilities uniformly over many calls.) Hardware random number generators are truly random (like the RDRAND instruction in x86 CPUs which is seeded by an on-chip entropy source). But if you’re relying on physical entropy, it’s not a deterministic system anymore. You simply can’t emulate non-determinism in a deterministic system.