What an unnecessarily hostile response. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything - one of the issues is that you have people who not only deny it's happeni

What an unnecessarily hostile response. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything - one of the issues is that you have people who not only deny it's happening, but are trying to convince people it's not happening. Regardless of your assertion, the evidence is there that the issue is extremely polarised. I was pointing out that it's not as simple as wanting to believe that everyone is on the same page, here. It's not easy to even get people to recognise the issue, let alone starting from a point where we're all pulling in the same direction. I don't have a solution.