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For all the other shenanigans that they’ve done, can you come up with even one case where an American citizen has been detained indefinitely at the border? Als

For all the other shenanigans that they’ve done, can you come up with even one case where an American citizen has been detained indefinitely at the border? Also, you’re already across once you meet the border people. You’re not in no-man’s-land; the border is infinitely thin and you are already in the US at the checkpoint. This is the simplest habeas corpus petition ever.

ilikehurdles 7y ago
There have been several cases where legal American Citizens have been put into deportation proceedings or formally deported. All it takes is for a border agent to choose not to believe the documents you’re handing over. There is no rule at the federal level that entitles noncitizens to trials. So a border agent declaring you a noncitizen without court oversight strips you of your constitutional rights. One US citizen was detained by ICE for 3 years, other reports exist of 1-year detentions. It all really depends on how poor you are and how backed up (by design) the system is. Anyway, a citizen being turned away, shipped back, or put into deportation at the airport isn’t a far reach from any of this.
- dudul 7y ago
  Do you have a link to any of these stories? I have heard of US citizens being detained and bullied at the border, but they were always eventually admitted into the country after a few hours of "purgatory". Where would you even try to deport a US citizen? "Here, Spain, we don't think this guy is a US citizen, his passport doesn't look legit enough, can you take him?"
  - ilikehurdles 7y ago
    The 3-year detention story: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038... An incomplete wikipedia list with a number of citizens that were wrongfully deported from the U.S.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_the_United_States#Americans_physically_removed_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_... U.S. citizens having deportation detainers placed on them is suprisingly common: https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/us-citizens-targeted-ice-us-citizens-targeted https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-polic... This guy was held for weeks: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/04/born-philadelphia-us-citizen-says-he-was-held-deportation-jamaica-ices-request/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3af99e7b3d32 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/04/born-philad... U.S. citizen detained without charge for a year and then freed: https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/detention/us-citizen-detained-without-charge-trump-administration-year https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/detention/us-cit... There are dozens of stories like these. I've listed a few, but to go further I'd recommend doing a web search.
    - dudul 7y ago
      Thanks for sharing. I guess the difference is that none of these stories involves crossing the border (or maybe I missed some details, that was a lot to read :). Still positively frightening that the system could so badly fail.

ilikehurdles 7y ago

There have been several cases where legal American Citizens have been put into deportation proceedings or formally deported. All it takes is for a border agent to choose not to believe the documents you’re handing over. There is no rule at the federal level that entitles noncitizens to trials. So a border agent declaring you a noncitizen without court oversight strips you of your constitutional rights. One US citizen was detained by ICE for 3 years, other reports exist of 1-year detentions. It all really depends on how poor you are and how backed up (by design) the system is. Anyway, a citizen being turned away, shipped back, or put into deportation at the airport isn’t a far reach from any of this.

dudul 7y ago
Do you have a link to any of these stories? I have heard of US citizens being detained and bullied at the border, but they were always eventually admitted into the country after a few hours of "purgatory". Where would you even try to deport a US citizen? "Here, Spain, we don't think this guy is a US citizen, his passport doesn't look legit enough, can you take him?"
- ilikehurdles 7y ago
  The 3-year detention story: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038... An incomplete wikipedia list with a number of citizens that were wrongfully deported from the U.S.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_the_United_States#Americans_physically_removed_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Americans_from_... U.S. citizens having deportation detainers placed on them is suprisingly common: https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/us-citizens-targeted-ice-us-citizens-targeted https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-polic... This guy was held for weeks: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/04/born-philadelphia-us-citizen-says-he-was-held-deportation-jamaica-ices-request/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3af99e7b3d32 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/04/born-philad... U.S. citizen detained without charge for a year and then freed: https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/detention/us-citizen-detained-without-charge-trump-administration-year https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/detention/us-cit... There are dozens of stories like these. I've listed a few, but to go further I'd recommend doing a web search.
  - dudul 7y ago
    Thanks for sharing. I guess the difference is that none of these stories involves crossing the border (or maybe I missed some details, that was a lot to read :). Still positively frightening that the system could so badly fail.