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> So, either you're making the case for completely open borders and all that comes with it, or you're in favor of deportation. It's this type of black and whit

> So, either you're making the case for completely open borders and all that comes with it, or you're in favor of deportation. It's this type of black and white thinking that is so poisonous to current discourse. There are many people that are okay with deporting illegal immigrants, as long as they are treated with some modicum of respect during the process, families are not separated, asylum laws are upheld, and children brought across the border at a young age that know no other place are allowed to stay. There are pretty reasonable solutions to these problems. Unfortunately, everyone prefers to see only my side versus your side.

darawk 7y ago
> It's this type of black and white thinking that is so poisonous to current discourse. There are many people that are okay with deporting illegal immigrants, as long as they are treated with some modicum of respect during the process, families are not separated, asylum laws are upheld, and children brought across the border at a young age that know no other place are allowed to stay. Nothing I said contradicted any of that.
- AsyncAwait 7y ago
  > Nothing I said contradicted any of that. You made it seem as if the people arguing for decent treatment of illegal migrants are somehow for 'open borders', when nobody on the left is seriously talking about having open borders.
  - fche 7y ago
    > nobody on the left is seriously talking about having open borders. This is a blatant lie.
    - AsyncAwait 7y ago
      Ok, strong statement, any evidence?
  - darawk 7y ago
    > You made it seem as if the people arguing for decent treatment of illegal migrants are somehow for 'open borders', when nobody on the left is seriously talking about having open borders. Where did I make it seem like that? I said that if you don't deport people, you have open borders. I don't recall making any statements about their treatment, express or implied.
- speedplane 7y ago
  >> It's this type of black and white thinking that is so poisonous to current discourse. ... > Nothing I said contradicted any of that. On a purely logical level, you are correct. But presenting a complex problem as a binary choice between two un-nuanced options dismisses other significant considerations that people care about. In this case, presenting immigration as a simple choice between deportation and no deportation disregards all the other interests, such as treating people with dignity, creating a fair system, and many more. Creating false dichotomies is a classic rhetorical strategy, but it is particularly insidious because it disregards any nuance which will be necessary to make any real-life policy work.
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darawk 7y ago

> It's this type of black and white thinking that is so poisonous to current discourse. There are many people that are okay with deporting illegal immigrants, as long as they are treated with some modicum of respect during the process, families are not separated, asylum laws are upheld, and children brought across the border at a young age that know no other place are allowed to stay. Nothing I said contradicted any of that.

AsyncAwait 7y ago
> Nothing I said contradicted any of that. You made it seem as if the people arguing for decent treatment of illegal migrants are somehow for 'open borders', when nobody on the left is seriously talking about having open borders.
- fche 7y ago
  > nobody on the left is seriously talking about having open borders. This is a blatant lie.
  - AsyncAwait 7y ago
    Ok, strong statement, any evidence?
- darawk 7y ago
  > You made it seem as if the people arguing for decent treatment of illegal migrants are somehow for 'open borders', when nobody on the left is seriously talking about having open borders. Where did I make it seem like that? I said that if you don't deport people, you have open borders. I don't recall making any statements about their treatment, express or implied.
speedplane 7y ago
>> It's this type of black and white thinking that is so poisonous to current discourse. ... > Nothing I said contradicted any of that. On a purely logical level, you are correct. But presenting a complex problem as a binary choice between two un-nuanced options dismisses other significant considerations that people care about. In this case, presenting immigration as a simple choice between deportation and no deportation disregards all the other interests, such as treating people with dignity, creating a fair system, and many more. Creating false dichotomies is a classic rhetorical strategy, but it is particularly insidious because it disregards any nuance which will be necessary to make any real-life policy work.

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