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I'm sure this could have applications in porn as well. Want to cater to someone's specific kink? Just generate it.

jjjensen90 7y ago
I do wonder if we'll ever reach a liberal enough society to be OK with machine-generated porn of all types, especially those taboo or illegal now (child pornography, sadism, zoophilia, etc). I could foresee it being banned before it even gets commercialized, which in my opinion would be unfortunate because I could see it as the methadone of porn to the "real stuff's" heroin.
- mirimir 7y ago
  That's already illegal in the US:[0] > Child pornography under federal law is defined as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor. But that's not so in Japan. So one ought take care when torrenting Japanese films in the US. 0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_United_States#Definition_of_child_pornography_under_federal_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_...
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- yibg 7y ago
  Interesting moral implications. Should e.g. child porn still be illegal if no child is harmed? I think most people's natural reaction would be of course it should be illegal, it's child porn!
  - caprese 7y ago
    In the US there is a 1st amendment exception for obscenity under which these kind of prohibitions leverage. Obscenity itself requires an average expectation of what obscenity is, otherwise the exception dissipates entirely. It is therefore easy for me to see that the technological availability of this would change it. there would be attempts by executive branch and legislature that are obliged to simply say something “should” be illegal, and a court wouldnt be able to agree with that on constitutional grounds
- ben_w 7y ago
  Ditto with 3D printed flesh robots of each of the above. Bonus question: what about an adult engaging in self-insert roleplay of any of the above by remote controlling an avatar (virtual or physical) with a 3D headset? I think this question will stop being theoretical before 2030. I think Denmark briefly allowed “all” pornography. Zoo was legal there until a few years ago, even had commercial production.
- yoavm 7y ago
  I believe the moral question was asked much before AI brought realistic looking characters to the world. See this for example: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/14/us/child-pornography-writer-gets-10-year-prison-term.html https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/14/us/child-pornography-writ...
plutonorm 7y ago
I've tried a couple of times to do this. The latest tech at the time had trouble with longer range structure, so things would start to look weird, with limbs just not looking right. I think it's totally doable, a way that I think wold work is use a nn to get the pose data from the graph and then generate the image from that pose data. Pretty sure it work, if you know what you are doing. Marketed right it will make big big money in the coming years. I just can't bring myself to invest the 100s of hours to get it running and into a marketable product. Can't stand programming anymore.

I do wonder if we'll ever reach a liberal enough society to be OK with machine-generated porn of all types, especially those taboo or illegal now (child pornography, sadism, zoophilia, etc). I could foresee it being banned before it even gets commercialized, which in my opinion would be unfortunate because I could see it as the methadone of porn to the "real stuff's" heroin.

mirimir 7y ago
That's already illegal in the US:[0] > Child pornography under federal law is defined as any visual depiction of sexually explicit conduct involving a minor (someone under 18 years of age). Visual depictions include photographs, videos, digital or computer generated images indistinguishable from an actual minor, and images created, adapted, or modified, but appear to depict an identifiable, actual minor. But that's not so in Japan. So one ought take care when torrenting Japanese films in the US. 0) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_United_States#Definition_of_child_pornography_under_federal_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography_laws_in_the_...
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yibg 7y ago
Interesting moral implications. Should e.g. child porn still be illegal if no child is harmed? I think most people's natural reaction would be of course it should be illegal, it's child porn!
- caprese 7y ago
  In the US there is a 1st amendment exception for obscenity under which these kind of prohibitions leverage. Obscenity itself requires an average expectation of what obscenity is, otherwise the exception dissipates entirely. It is therefore easy for me to see that the technological availability of this would change it. there would be attempts by executive branch and legislature that are obliged to simply say something “should” be illegal, and a court wouldnt be able to agree with that on constitutional grounds
ben_w 7y ago
Ditto with 3D printed flesh robots of each of the above. Bonus question: what about an adult engaging in self-insert roleplay of any of the above by remote controlling an avatar (virtual or physical) with a 3D headset? I think this question will stop being theoretical before 2030. I think Denmark briefly allowed “all” pornography. Zoo was legal there until a few years ago, even had commercial production.
yoavm 7y ago
I believe the moral question was asked much before AI brought realistic looking characters to the world. See this for example: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/14/us/child-pornography-writer-gets-10-year-prison-term.html https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/14/us/child-pornography-writ...

plutonorm 7y ago

I've tried a couple of times to do this. The latest tech at the time had trouble with longer range structure, so things would start to look weird, with limbs just not looking right. I think it's totally doable, a way that I think wold work is use a nn to get the pose data from the graph and then generate the image from that pose data. Pretty sure it work, if you know what you are doing. Marketed right it will make big big money in the coming years. I just can't bring myself to invest the 100s of hours to get it running and into a marketable product. Can't stand programming anymore.