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I have posted and do frequently see "unsubstantive" comments, but somehow the mere connotation of gender is a flag. From a historical perspective, such a quest

I have posted and do frequently see "unsubstantive" comments, but somehow the mere connotation of gender is a flag. From a historical perspective, such a question in even its simplest form is entirely valid given the nature of gender roles in societies. Are/were conspiring women's groups more or less feared than men's? I don't know myself, and my comment was sincere in that regard.

jjjensen90 7y ago
Both you and pmontra above are completely misreading thaumasiotes's comments in a knee-jerk reaction. They were simply paraphrasing the intent of the quote from Trajan... If you have an issue with it, bring it up with Trajan.
- drb91 7y ago
  So we can discuss men but not women on this forum?
  - dang 7y ago
    Could you please review the guidelines and stop posting comments that clearly break them? They include: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- pmontra 7y ago
  So thaumasiotes was sarcastic here > Women getting together is fine. Not once have groups of women ever been known to rebel against the government. I agree with the sarcasm. Women are generally less problematic than men but they rebel when it matters. Another example, Rosa Parks.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    Speaking for myself, no, that statement is entirely serious. Women are not now and never have been a direct threat to any government. They don't fight wars. Would Trajan have known this? Of course. Compare your descriptions of suffragettes' terrorist activities with the research on how effective terrorist campaigns are at even getting their favored policies implemented. (And then, of course, ask yourself whether Trajan could have been aware of a 20th-century women's movement.)
    - drb91 7y ago
      Women work. Withholding labor is a threat to the state. Women were a crucial part of the civil rights movement. Women are absolutely a threat to the state.
    - dang 7y ago
      Please keep cheap gender rhetoric and grandiose pop-historical generalizations off this site.
thaumasiotes 7y ago
It is my understanding that, in the classical world, conspiring women's groups were viewed with suspicion by men in general, but not viewed as a threat to the government. The concept of a women's conspiracy was familiar. Lysistrata involves all the women of Athens conspiring to end the Peloponnesian war by calling a general sex strike.
dang 7y ago
Gender isn't a flag per se. The problem is that invoking it with a generic, informationless one-liner is almost always going to be flamebait. Not just gender—this is true of any divisive topic. If you add something interesting and thoughtful to the discussion, it's a different story. That's welcome. You just need to express it in a flame-retarding way, not the internet equivalent of a lit match. All this is covered by the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We didn't come up with these rules in a bubble bath! They've all been hammered out by the brutal processes of the internet forum.

jjjensen90 7y ago

Both you and pmontra above are completely misreading thaumasiotes's comments in a knee-jerk reaction. They were simply paraphrasing the intent of the quote from Trajan... If you have an issue with it, bring it up with Trajan.

drb91 7y ago
So we can discuss men but not women on this forum?
- dang 7y ago
  Could you please review the guidelines and stop posting comments that clearly break them? They include: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
pmontra 7y ago
So thaumasiotes was sarcastic here > Women getting together is fine. Not once have groups of women ever been known to rebel against the government. I agree with the sarcasm. Women are generally less problematic than men but they rebel when it matters. Another example, Rosa Parks.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  Speaking for myself, no, that statement is entirely serious. Women are not now and never have been a direct threat to any government. They don't fight wars. Would Trajan have known this? Of course. Compare your descriptions of suffragettes' terrorist activities with the research on how effective terrorist campaigns are at even getting their favored policies implemented. (And then, of course, ask yourself whether Trajan could have been aware of a 20th-century women's movement.)
  - drb91 7y ago
    Women work. Withholding labor is a threat to the state. Women were a crucial part of the civil rights movement. Women are absolutely a threat to the state.
  - dang 7y ago
    Please keep cheap gender rhetoric and grandiose pop-historical generalizations off this site.

thaumasiotes 7y ago

It is my understanding that, in the classical world, conspiring women's groups were viewed with suspicion by men in general, but not viewed as a threat to the government. The concept of a women's conspiracy was familiar. Lysistrata involves all the women of Athens conspiring to end the Peloponnesian war by calling a general sex strike.

dang 7y ago

Gender isn't a flag per se. The problem is that invoking it with a generic, informationless one-liner is almost always going to be flamebait. Not just gender—this is true of any divisive topic. If you add something interesting and thoughtful to the discussion, it's a different story. That's welcome. You just need to express it in a flame-retarding way, not the internet equivalent of a lit match. All this is covered by the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We didn't come up with these rules in a bubble bath! They've all been hammered out by the brutal processes of the internet forum.