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I guess: 1.Most people who can not read Chinese believe "detained" or "arrested" is on the photo of the newspaper as a proof. Is it true? Ask your friend who c

by jjcc 7y ago

I guess: 1.Most people who can not read Chinese believe "detained" or "arrested" is on the photo of the newspaper as a proof. Is it true? Ask your friend who can read Chinese what the head line says. If the author was honest, she should explicitly stated that "detained" or "arrested" is from other source but not from the image. She is manipulating readers perception while she can claim she didn't lie. 2.No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing. If I say this is quite old news , would anybody be supprised? Is the missing date accidental? Here's my anecdonal experiance: It the photo true? Yes. Is CPP tighten the control of WeChat? Yes, Just as the photo shows. a while ago. There's no warning of arrest though. Are there any WeChat admin arrested that public know? Yes, somebody selling pornagraphy content. Are there any trouble with WeChat groups because of politics? Yes. I have been inside at least 2 groups with many members havning strong anti-government sentiments. The consequence is the groups were shut down because of many anti-CPP content. The admins openned another group , hand picked up all the old members into the new group because the "shut down" was that anybody in the group can only see his/her own words but not others. The admin can still access all the members information. What do we behave in the new group? Still the same but use twiseted expression that anybody knows meaning while avoid automated censorship. No human really read messages to detect sensitive word but robot. Usually replace some words sounds the same but wrong characters. What if you can not help expressing anger against government? Don't do it in group but in your "Moment" and use images with text content instead of text that robot can detect. Even most Chinese believe this can cause trouble from government but one of my friend did this all the time. Nobody from government pay attention to him. I totally against censorship. But I also don't like media selling their own ideaology with disinformation. Tell truth please.

Iv 7y ago
Talking about political opposition in a media controlled by the state is irresponsible. I would not do it France, making it in China is suicidal. Do not take anecdotal tolerance for proof of government benevolence. WeChat is monitored, your discussions are archived. When one of the members of any of your group discussion commits a legal offense, or ends up in a terrorist watchlist, you will all be blacklisted. "Modern" censorship (quotes because it was already like that during the STASI) focuses on public declarations. Officials weight the impact of the speech vs the (social) cost of censoring. Say shit about the government in a place where a thousand people are listening, you will be shut down. Say shit about the government to 5 of your friends, the government simply archives this and notes this and puts you on a "dissident" list, for later purpose. Later you will find out you have a visa refused for "security reasons" or a public funding cut "for budget reasons". One of the discovery of the East-German propaganda machine is that the best way to shut down opponents is to make their life harder but without ever telling them this is a punishment for their opinion.
echevil 7y ago
> No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing The article itself mentioned a date, Oct 8, 2017, when the "new" regulation come into effect. So yes, this is old news. Reading the article in Chinese, I do understand that the main focus of the new article is cracking down illegal activities like distributing pornography (which is illegal in China), gambling, scamming, etc, which are problems on the social networks that are quite important to solve. I didn't see anywhere in the Chinese article that mentioned "politically sensitive information", "bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels", publish “military information.” The sentence "spread rumors" is mentioned in combination with "scamming" and should be focusing on "scamming" part. But again, there's nothing surprising that western media interpret this in a completely different way. That's just one thing they all love to do.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  > illegal activities like distributing pornography, gambling, scamming, etc, which are problems on the social networks that are quite important to solve Distributing pornography happens all over, right on the street. And on the regular internet, outside of chat groups. I would not say that distribution of pornography through private chat groups rises to the level of "important to solve" given the infinite other very easy ways to get it.
  - echevil 7y ago
    Well, different country, different laws
    - thaumasiotes 7y ago
      Different country? I'm talking about China. And you?
- blago 7y ago
  I grew up in a communist state and hearing the words "spread rumors" gives me the chills. We all know what it stands for. Here is a hint if you don't: http://bit.ly/2Y4V8Mi http://bit.ly/2Y4V8Mi
thaumasiotes 7y ago
> Ask your friend who can read Chinese what the head line says. If the author was honest, she should explicitly stated that "detained" or "arrested" is from other source but not from the image. Headline from the image in the article: "Whoever establishes a group is responsible [for it]" "Whoever manages [a group] is responsible [for it]" "New rules established for national internet messages, after this the responsibility of group masters will be big[ger]" Headline from the image in an article prominently linked from this one: "[If] members break the law, the group master will be 追责ed [pursued and interrogated? punished? arrested?]" Headline from the other Chinese article linked from this one: "Whoever establishes a group is responsible for it! Many group masters have been detained, everyone who has a group [should] read [this]" > No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing. If I say this is quite old news , would anybody be surprised? Is the missing date accidental? This looks like a fair complaint, actually. The pictures are clear that this was announced in 2017, with the new rules to take effect October 8th 2017. Coverage in April 2019 seems to have missed the boat a bit. On the other hand, according to this piece, the state has chosen to re-emphasize the message now. ("“Did you all think being a group host is free and easy? Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!”, official state newspaper Xinhua posted on Weibo on April 26.")

by jjcc 7y ago

Iv 7y ago

Talking about political opposition in a media controlled by the state is irresponsible. I would not do it France, making it in China is suicidal. Do not take anecdotal tolerance for proof of government benevolence. WeChat is monitored, your discussions are archived. When one of the members of any of your group discussion commits a legal offense, or ends up in a terrorist watchlist, you will all be blacklisted. "Modern" censorship (quotes because it was already like that during the STASI) focuses on public declarations. Officials weight the impact of the speech vs the (social) cost of censoring. Say shit about the government in a place where a thousand people are listening, you will be shut down. Say shit about the government to 5 of your friends, the government simply archives this and notes this and puts you on a "dissident" list, for later purpose. Later you will find out you have a visa refused for "security reasons" or a public funding cut "for budget reasons". One of the discovery of the East-German propaganda machine is that the best way to shut down opponents is to make their life harder but without ever telling them this is a punishment for their opinion.

echevil 7y ago

> No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing The article itself mentioned a date, Oct 8, 2017, when the "new" regulation come into effect. So yes, this is old news. Reading the article in Chinese, I do understand that the main focus of the new article is cracking down illegal activities like distributing pornography (which is illegal in China), gambling, scamming, etc, which are problems on the social networks that are quite important to solve. I didn't see anywhere in the Chinese article that mentioned "politically sensitive information", "bring news about Hong Kong, Macau or Taiwan that has not been reported by official news channels", publish “military information.” The sentence "spread rumors" is mentioned in combination with "scamming" and should be focusing on "scamming" part. But again, there's nothing surprising that western media interpret this in a completely different way. That's just one thing they all love to do.

thaumasiotes 7y ago
> illegal activities like distributing pornography, gambling, scamming, etc, which are problems on the social networks that are quite important to solve Distributing pornography happens all over, right on the street. And on the regular internet, outside of chat groups. I would not say that distribution of pornography through private chat groups rises to the level of "important to solve" given the infinite other very easy ways to get it.
- echevil 7y ago
  Well, different country, different laws
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    Different country? I'm talking about China. And you?
blago 7y ago
I grew up in a communist state and hearing the words "spread rumors" gives me the chills. We all know what it stands for. Here is a hint if you don't: http://bit.ly/2Y4V8Mi http://bit.ly/2Y4V8Mi

thaumasiotes 7y ago

> Ask your friend who can read Chinese what the head line says. If the author was honest, she should explicitly stated that "detained" or "arrested" is from other source but not from the image. Headline from the image in the article: "Whoever establishes a group is responsible [for it]" "Whoever manages [a group] is responsible [for it]" "New rules established for national internet messages, after this the responsibility of group masters will be big[ger]" Headline from the image in an article prominently linked from this one: "[If] members break the law, the group master will be 追责ed [pursued and interrogated? punished? arrested?]" Headline from the other Chinese article linked from this one: "Whoever establishes a group is responsible for it! Many group masters have been detained, everyone who has a group [should] read [this]" > No body notice the date of the newspaper is missing. If I say this is quite old news , would anybody be surprised? Is the missing date accidental? This looks like a fair complaint, actually. The pictures are clear that this was announced in 2017, with the new rules to take effect October 8th 2017. Coverage in April 2019 seems to have missed the boat a bit. On the other hand, according to this piece, the state has chosen to re-emphasize the message now. ("“Did you all think being a group host is free and easy? Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!”, official state newspaper Xinhua posted on Weibo on April 26.")