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Are you sure? According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data; rather they are just taking photos from passengers who o

Are you sure? According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data; rather they are just taking photos from passengers who opt in to board via this method, and the photos only need to be stored for a few seconds so they can be sent to DHS for verification. The airline isn't taking or storing photos of passengers who don't opt into this process, but it is presumably sending the government a list of all passengers prior to boarding so that photos of passengers who opt in can be verified. Would this violate the GDPR?

viraptor 8y ago
s/who opt in/who don't opt out/ according to the tweets. But you're right, and the process is surprisingly reasonable as long as the implementation is safe
bluntfang 8y ago
do you actually believe that the twitter PR person has enough technical knowledge of this process to make such bold claims as to whether they store people's data or not? And if you do believe they would have enough knowledge, do you believe they would EVER tell the truth?
- zaat 8y ago
  I believe the PR person have the knowledge by proxy, someone is directing him. I also believe that DHS won't give them sensitive information without requiring them to conform to the relevant regulations. I can't say I'm certain it is fail-proof, and it defiantly can feel spooky but not everybody is lying to you all the time. From the article the PR quoted, I arrived to the relevant executive order that facilitated this, section 8: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states-2/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-or...
ProAm 8y ago
> According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data I absolutely do not believe the tweets from a company PR representative as to how their technology actually works.
- kruegel 8y ago
  Regardless of whether this PR person knows anything or not, I think the much more likely scenario is that they are sending facial recognition requests to a CBP API vs. building their own facial recognition database with 100s of millions of identities out of thin air.
  - craftinator 8y ago
    But they have your photo after they take it, and the CBP verifies for them who you are. From this information transfer, the airline can replicate the CBP database entry for each person that it takes a picture of... In the long run, they can build a facial recognition database of everyone who flies. Am I wrong about this?
    - oh_sigh 8y ago
      No, but whether they actually are or not is another question. They could also build the same database 10 years ago by taking your picture as you scanned your boarding pass.
      - craftinator 8y ago
        I haven't done international travel (by normal means), have they always taken your picture for that? Thanks for the info!
        oh_sigh 8y ago
        No, but they could surreptitiously take your photo if they wanted to. I doubt there is much expectation of privacy at an airport gate
  - codedokode 8y ago
    If the database of photos has a business value then they will be looking for loopholes to store them. It would be stupid to spend money on new equipment and not maximize the returns.
ttul 8y ago
The government already sees all the flight manifests. Assuming that it also has a database of photos from passports, the matching process doesn't violate anyone's privacy, since they opted in to have their photo matched in the first place.

viraptor 8y ago

s/who opt in/who don't opt out/ according to the tweets. But you're right, and the process is surprisingly reasonable as long as the implementation is safe

bluntfang 8y ago

do you actually believe that the twitter PR person has enough technical knowledge of this process to make such bold claims as to whether they store people's data or not? And if you do believe they would have enough knowledge, do you believe they would EVER tell the truth?

zaat 8y ago
I believe the PR person have the knowledge by proxy, someone is directing him. I also believe that DHS won't give them sensitive information without requiring them to conform to the relevant regulations. I can't say I'm certain it is fail-proof, and it defiantly can feel spooky but not everybody is lying to you all the time. From the article the PR quoted, I arrived to the relevant executive order that facilitated this, section 8: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states-2/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-or...

ProAm 8y ago

> According to what the airline said, the airline doesn't have the facial recognition data I absolutely do not believe the tweets from a company PR representative as to how their technology actually works.

kruegel 8y ago
Regardless of whether this PR person knows anything or not, I think the much more likely scenario is that they are sending facial recognition requests to a CBP API vs. building their own facial recognition database with 100s of millions of identities out of thin air.
- craftinator 8y ago
  But they have your photo after they take it, and the CBP verifies for them who you are. From this information transfer, the airline can replicate the CBP database entry for each person that it takes a picture of... In the long run, they can build a facial recognition database of everyone who flies. Am I wrong about this?
  - oh_sigh 8y ago
    No, but whether they actually are or not is another question. They could also build the same database 10 years ago by taking your picture as you scanned your boarding pass.
    - craftinator 8y ago
      I haven't done international travel (by normal means), have they always taken your picture for that? Thanks for the info!
      - oh_sigh 8y ago
        No, but they could surreptitiously take your photo if they wanted to. I doubt there is much expectation of privacy at an airport gate
- codedokode 8y ago
  If the database of photos has a business value then they will be looking for loopholes to store them. It would be stupid to spend money on new equipment and not maximize the returns.

ttul 8y ago

The government already sees all the flight manifests. Assuming that it also has a database of photos from passports, the matching process doesn't violate anyone's privacy, since they opted in to have their photo matched in the first place.