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If it is good enough for Austin, Byron, and Chesterfield, not to mention Shakespeare, then it is good enough for me. The catch is that it sounds best when ther
by mattkrause 8y ago
If it is good enough for Austin, Byron, and Chesterfield, not to mention Shakespeare, then it is good enough for me.
The catch is that it sounds best when there's no specific antecedent: "Every user of the workshop must be responsible for their own safety."
It sounds odder when it is deliberately used to avoid (mis)gendering a specific individual: "Pat does not discuss their* gender." I think this is the niche that 'ze' is supposed to fill.
- caseyohara 8y agoI've heard of 'ze' as a gender-neutral pronoun, but I've never really seen it used. How would you substitute 'ze' in that sentence: "Pat does not discuss their gender"?
- dragonwriter 8y ago“Ze” (like “they”) is a subject pronoun, it has been suggested with various object pronouns (like “them”), possessive determiners (like “their”) and possessive pronouns (like “theirs”), including at least these patterns: ze/hir/hir/hirs, ze/mer/zer/zers, ze/zir/zir/zirs; ze/zem/zes/zes. So, the “their” could change to any of “hir”, “mer”, “zir”, or “zes”, depending on which “ze” pattern was used.
- stordoff 8y ago> It sounds odder when it is deliberately used to avoid (mis)gendering a specific individual: "Pat does not discuss their* gender." I suspect it depends on dialect. "their" just sounds more informal to me, "his"/"her" sounds slightly more formal.
- mattkrause 8y agoHmmm, interesting idea. I looked at some older examples of singular-they and they almost exclusively refer to an unknown or unspecified person ("Everyone loves their mother"). Using it for a specified person seems to be fairly new: Time Magazine had a piece describing how their (in this sense) was the 2015 word of the year. http://time.com/4173992/word-of-the-year-2015-they/ http://time.com/4173992/word-of-the-year-2015-they/