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WHY THIS IS CENSORSHIP: I am seeing numerous comments claiming this is not censorship when it most definitely is. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
by throwawaysea 8y ago
WHY THIS IS CENSORSHIP:
I am seeing numerous comments claiming this is not censorship when it most definitely is. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship
> Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or "inconvenient". Censorship can be conducted by a government, private institutions, and corporations.
From Merriam-Webster (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship), where there is no mention of 'censorship' being a government-specific concept:
> the institution, system, or practice of censoring
From Oxford (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/censorship https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/censorship), where again there is no mention of 'censorship' being a government-specific concept:
> The suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
We know Facebook is a private corporation. That's irrelevant, as such actions are censorship regardless. So please stop repeating the false claim that this isn't censorship because Facebook can do whatever it wants as a private entity.
WHY FREE SPEECH MATTERS:
Proponents of free speech are pro free speech as a general concept and principle, beyond what protections are afforded under American law today. The idea of free speech predates the existence of the United States. Free speech is hugely valuable to defend, because what society finds acceptable or unacceptable is very much subjective and changes with time/location/culture/setting/leadership/etc. Having an open exchange of ideas is good and necessary for the long-term health and stability of society. Furthermore, making available ideas that challenge current understanding is necessary if we care about being a collectively truth-seeking society.
Free societies are durable over the long term when they protect these rights at all times, for all people, for all ideologies. As a rule of thumb, if the speech in question is not advocating for direct physical violence, it should be permitted. Getting into the business of censoring indirect or non-physical harm is a huge slippery slope. We could frame virtually any idea as having some downstream negative externality and suggest that it should be disallowed. For example, capitalism, socialism, and communism could all be attacked in this manner. Should books on those topic be dropped?
WHY PRIVATE PLATFORMS' CENSORSHIP IS CONCERNING:
Large privately-owned platforms carry so much discourse across today's society, that censorship and deplatforming in those spaces has the same impact as governmental censorship, for most intents and purposes. Even if these corporations do not constitute what we might traditionally call a "monopoly", they control a large-enough share of traffic to have significant impact when they take artificial actions. That is, they constitute a digital public square. That sizable impact is exactly why they are being targeted (not just on this topic but others) by activists or other agents pushing for deplatforming/censorship favorable to their causes.
The big risk is this: when only a few entities funnel so much societal discourse or control our communication infrastructure or process payments, those entities making arbitrary decisions about who they serve has similar impacts/risks to the government imposing similar restrictions through the law. These companies should not act as a thought police and should not impose their own personal governance above what is minimally required by the law. Nor should they rely on the judgment of an angry mob to make decisions.
- dullgiulio 8y agoNot giving a microphone to someone is not the same as censoring them.
- crispsquirrel 8y agoTechnically it's the taking away of said microphone, which I guess would be censorship Edited if to of - typo!
- threeseed 8y agoIt works both ways you know. You can't say that these people have the right to say what they want on Facebook. And then turn around and say that Facebook has no right to determine what's on their website. It's their website. They should have the right to determine what goes on it. And whoever doesn't like it can build their own Facebook.
- maximus1983 8y agoThese platforms are so large now and most of the public discourse happens on them. So it is effectively silencing them.
- lubesGordi 8y agoHate speech is still categorically speech and that's why this is censorship. Seems most people are OK with having some ill defined notion of hate speech and censoring that. Personally, I'm OK with being critical of what I hear and helping others be critical, so I'm generally OK with the existence of hate speech. I think we can mostly all decide who is an asshole without making laws about what assholes can or can't SAY. For the reasons stated in the parent, I would say having free speech is more important than not having hate speech.