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It's 4981 years of hotel here (16.5€/night). There is no secret to discover in homelessness. They have housing and/or drug and/or mental disorder problem. They

It's 4981 years of hotel here (16.5€/night). There is no secret to discover in homelessness. They have housing and/or drug and/or mental disorder problem. They need to stop using drug, a good psy with a working treatment and a house. House is the simpler to fix. Let's start with that.

aeternus 7y ago
How does housing fix the drug or mental disorder problem? How do we pay for the housing or address the issues with supply and demand when providing free housing? With engineering, very few engineers would start work on a design that only addresses a small part of the known problem space.
- SeanAppleby 7y ago
  As someone who knows struggling addicts with good housing who would otherwise be homeless, yeah, housing does absolutely not fix the problem. It's so complicated. Nihilism and a lack of a reason to care about getting better. Drugs offer a cheap escape from their grim view of reality. No friends who aren't addicts, so it's normalized. A criminal record blocking gainful employment. Court mandated treatment programs that prevent people from moving away from their deadend town and self reinforcing social circle of addicts. Court mandated treatment that's forcing them to spend all of their time around other addicts, who only have drugs in common and thus have their relationships built on the shared interest in drugs, preventing them from participating in anything that would lead to a more productive social circle. Their criminal record might mean that by an enormous margin the most lucrative thing they can do, and perhaps actually their only realistic hope of financial independence, freedom, and an escape from their miserable reality of barely scraping by spending most of their time doing things they hate, is to sell drugs, which is self reinforcing their environment.
  - mabynogy 7y ago
    Yeah. You describe that well. It is a very difficult problem.
- mabynogy 7y ago
  I does not but it's easier to fix. For me it's a realestate related problem. There is not enough offer. We should increase the offer with very cheap houses.

aeternus 7y ago

How does housing fix the drug or mental disorder problem? How do we pay for the housing or address the issues with supply and demand when providing free housing? With engineering, very few engineers would start work on a design that only addresses a small part of the known problem space.

SeanAppleby 7y ago
As someone who knows struggling addicts with good housing who would otherwise be homeless, yeah, housing does absolutely not fix the problem. It's so complicated. Nihilism and a lack of a reason to care about getting better. Drugs offer a cheap escape from their grim view of reality. No friends who aren't addicts, so it's normalized. A criminal record blocking gainful employment. Court mandated treatment programs that prevent people from moving away from their deadend town and self reinforcing social circle of addicts. Court mandated treatment that's forcing them to spend all of their time around other addicts, who only have drugs in common and thus have their relationships built on the shared interest in drugs, preventing them from participating in anything that would lead to a more productive social circle. Their criminal record might mean that by an enormous margin the most lucrative thing they can do, and perhaps actually their only realistic hope of financial independence, freedom, and an escape from their miserable reality of barely scraping by spending most of their time doing things they hate, is to sell drugs, which is self reinforcing their environment.
- mabynogy 7y ago
  Yeah. You describe that well. It is a very difficult problem.
mabynogy 7y ago
I does not but it's easier to fix. For me it's a realestate related problem. There is not enough offer. We should increase the offer with very cheap houses.