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I'm suspicious of that figure as you've presented it, but I'm not all that familiar with the trial either. If it weren't for Android, how many fewer people wou

by jddj 7y ago

I'm suspicious of that figure as you've presented it, but I'm not all that familiar with the trial either. If it weren't for Android, how many fewer people would be using Chrome as their daily mobile browser? How can we quantify the data slurped up and clicks generated on google.com by those added chrome instances? What about YouTube impressions? How many fewer people would be using Google maps daily? How much less location data would Google possess without living in people's pockets? How did they measure the value of the Google play services ubiquity? Have these things plus the app store really only generated 21 billion?

criddell 7y ago
> Have these things plus the app store really only generated 21 billion? Considering why the number was revealed, Google had every incentive in the world to understate as much as they could get away with. Plus, how is $21 billion profit not a great thing for them? The revenue number was north of $30 billion.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Every incentive in the world to understate except maybe they didn’t think lying to a federal judge was a good idea? Can you imagine the penalties for not being truthful during discovery?
  - criddell 7y ago
    Understating isn't necessarily lying. The value of intangibles on a balance sheet often comes down to a guess in some range.
scarface74 7y ago
I'm suspicious of that figure as you've presented it, but I'm not all that familiar with the trial either. https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/21/10810834/android-generated-31-billion-revenue-google-oracle https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/21/10810834/android-generate... If it weren't for Android, how many fewer people would be using Chrome as their daily mobile browser? Chrome doesn’t make them any money besides Google.com being the default search engine. Pre-Chrome, Google already had an overwhelming share of the search engine market. What about YouTube impressions? The same with YouTube. My old Blackberry phone came with a YouTube app as did the iPhone before there was even an App Store. Would Apple have been so fast to not bundle Youtube or Google Maps if it weren’t for Android? Have these things plus the app store really only generated 21 billion? I would hope that Oracle’s high priced lawyers would have taken all that into account.

by jddj 7y ago

criddell 7y ago

> Have these things plus the app store really only generated 21 billion? Considering why the number was revealed, Google had every incentive in the world to understate as much as they could get away with. Plus, how is $21 billion profit not a great thing for them? The revenue number was north of $30 billion.

scarface74 7y ago
Every incentive in the world to understate except maybe they didn’t think lying to a federal judge was a good idea? Can you imagine the penalties for not being truthful during discovery?
- criddell 7y ago
  Understating isn't necessarily lying. The value of intangibles on a balance sheet often comes down to a guess in some range.

scarface74 7y ago

I'm suspicious of that figure as you've presented it, but I'm not all that familiar with the trial either. https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/21/10810834/android-generated-31-billion-revenue-google-oracle https://www.theverge.com/2016/1/21/10810834/android-generate... If it weren't for Android, how many fewer people would be using Chrome as their daily mobile browser? Chrome doesn’t make them any money besides Google.com being the default search engine. Pre-Chrome, Google already had an overwhelming share of the search engine market. What about YouTube impressions? The same with YouTube. My old Blackberry phone came with a YouTube app as did the iPhone before there was even an App Store. Would Apple have been so fast to not bundle Youtube or Google Maps if it weren’t for Android? Have these things plus the app store really only generated 21 billion? I would hope that Oracle’s high priced lawyers would have taken all that into account.