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Looking at all leaks coming from Google, including Dragonfly and Maven do you think that NSA could access data directly without any engineer noticing it and goi

Looking at all leaks coming from Google, including Dragonfly and Maven do you think that NSA could access data directly without any engineer noticing it and going to the media with it? I doubt it.

soup10 7y ago
yes.. they split fiber pipes, if encrypted they use undisclosed zero days to steal encryption keys or try to break the encryption with super computers. these tactics are are all well known.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  All Google internal traffic is encrypted, and I'd guess they use some sort of forward secrecy. I guess it's going to be basically impossible to use split fibers to sip at that data.
  - soup10 7y ago
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/prism-heres-how-the-nsa-wiretapped-the-internet/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/prism-heres-how-the-nsa-wireta... this is just naive
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
      The change was made exactly in response to PRISM. In fact, it was something that was already rolling out at the time, but the disclosure of that program caused the effort to be dramatically accelerated. At this point, and for quite some time, they've been using encryption for almost all traffic on the internal network. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-encrypts-data-amid-backlash-against-nsa-spying/2013/09/06/9acc3c20-1722-11e3-a2ec-b47e45e6f8ef_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-en...
      - soup10 7y ago
        you think that the thousands of NSA employees whose mission it is to collect and analyze that data just sat around and declared defeat after they started encrypting it? lol
        asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
        I don't think the NSA has thousands of people to dedicate to the slurping of Google's data specifically. More like hundreds, if even that. But I mean if your position is that the NSA has cracked modern encryption technologies, then I guess you better get off the internet. Whether you use Google or not, you're screwed.
        soup10 7y ago
        i'm sure they've cracked some of them and can brute force others faster than anyone realizes. but they also are probably very good at targeting specific people/machines and getting the encryption keys they want, especially if its being used to encode a large amount of data. i keep a low profile and avoid doing illegal things so i'm not really concerned but it still sucks that privacy is disappearing because its convenient and profitable

Looking at all leaks coming from Google, including Dragonfly and Maven do you think that NSA could access data directly without any engineer noticing it and going to the media with it? I doubt it.

soup10 7y ago

yes.. they split fiber pipes, if encrypted they use undisclosed zero days to steal encryption keys or try to break the encryption with super computers. these tactics are are all well known.

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
All Google internal traffic is encrypted, and I'd guess they use some sort of forward secrecy. I guess it's going to be basically impossible to use split fibers to sip at that data.
- soup10 7y ago
  https://www.zdnet.com/article/prism-heres-how-the-nsa-wiretapped-the-internet/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/prism-heres-how-the-nsa-wireta... this is just naive
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
    The change was made exactly in response to PRISM. In fact, it was something that was already rolling out at the time, but the disclosure of that program caused the effort to be dramatically accelerated. At this point, and for quite some time, they've been using encryption for almost all traffic on the internal network. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-encrypts-data-amid-backlash-against-nsa-spying/2013/09/06/9acc3c20-1722-11e3-a2ec-b47e45e6f8ef_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/google-en...
    - soup10 7y ago
      you think that the thousands of NSA employees whose mission it is to collect and analyze that data just sat around and declared defeat after they started encrypting it? lol
      - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
        I don't think the NSA has thousands of people to dedicate to the slurping of Google's data specifically. More like hundreds, if even that. But I mean if your position is that the NSA has cracked modern encryption technologies, then I guess you better get off the internet. Whether you use Google or not, you're screwed.
        soup10 7y ago
        i'm sure they've cracked some of them and can brute force others faster than anyone realizes. but they also are probably very good at targeting specific people/machines and getting the encryption keys they want, especially if its being used to encode a large amount of data. i keep a low profile and avoid doing illegal things so i'm not really concerned but it still sucks that privacy is disappearing because its convenient and profitable