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Regrettable. Are they banning radical left types? Of course not.

by fopen64 7y ago

nickthegreek 7y ago
Who is a radical left type on Facebook that you feel have crossed boundaries?
- rudedogg 7y ago
  My personal belief is that Facebook shouldn't be trying to censor speech this way, it's impossible to be (or appear to be) impartial. The people who are booted off just go to their own corner of the internet and never have their ideas challenged. But to answer your question, https://www.facebook.com/kathygriffin/ https://www.facebook.com/kathygriffin/ comes to mind (with the beheaded Trump photo).
  - nickthegreek 7y ago
    The kathy griffin image was a twitter post, not a facebook post. And while that was not a good post, that was a single incident. I don't think it would be correct to put Kathy Griffin and Alex Jones in the same bucket.
    - sleepybrett 7y ago
      Also clearly art, not a threat, not misinformation. In bad taste, probably. Not a call to action.
    - rudedogg 7y ago
      > The kathy griffin image was a twitter post, not a facebook post. The article didn't really say, but I assume the bans are considered based on all their activity, not just Facebook. > And while that was not a good post, that was a single incident. The Convington Catholic School thing was another issue. Probably worse in that it was kind of a call to action: https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086932616392011776 https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086932616392011776 I think comedians especially should get a lot of slack, but I'd say this fits the bill for being "dangerous" based on the article. My point is that this won't be viewed as being fair no matter what Facebook does, and rules like these allow you to easily target basically anyone. I don't know the answer, especially when you're an international company. I do think it's going to cause more political animosity though.
- isostatic 7y ago
  thecanary springs to mind. Not sure it's as bad as infowars though
- drak0n1c 7y ago
  ChapoTrapHouse routinely incites its followers toward being OK with harrassment, property crime, and violence with their class warfare rants and advocating for mass property redistribution. They aren't on FB though.
jdlyga 7y ago
Louis Farrakhan is leftist, right?
- checkyoursudo 7y ago
  While I have no definitive answer, Farrakhan to me has mostly seemed like an extremist who doesn't neatly fit into the (probably overly simplistic) right-left dichotomy.
- novacole 7y ago
  His politics are more closely aligned with the right. In fact I can’t think of one thing that’s liberal about him.
neuronexmachina 7y ago
Their criteria from the article: > The Facebook spokesperson said such factors include whether the person or organization has ever called for violence against individuals based on race, ethnicity, or national origin; whether the person has been identified with a hateful ideology; whether they use hate speech or slurs in their about section on their social media profiles; and whether they have had pages or groups removed from Facebook for violating hate speech rules.
- lubesGordi 7y ago
  The reason it's bogus is because there are TONS of people who talk about wanting to kill so called neo-nazis on facebook and they sure aren't getting kicked off. I have many friends who have said something to the effect within the past few years. To hate a hate group is completely acceptable.

Regrettable. Are they banning radical left types? Of course not.

nickthegreek 7y ago

Who is a radical left type on Facebook that you feel have crossed boundaries?

rudedogg 7y ago
My personal belief is that Facebook shouldn't be trying to censor speech this way, it's impossible to be (or appear to be) impartial. The people who are booted off just go to their own corner of the internet and never have their ideas challenged. But to answer your question, https://www.facebook.com/kathygriffin/ https://www.facebook.com/kathygriffin/ comes to mind (with the beheaded Trump photo).
- nickthegreek 7y ago
  The kathy griffin image was a twitter post, not a facebook post. And while that was not a good post, that was a single incident. I don't think it would be correct to put Kathy Griffin and Alex Jones in the same bucket.
  - sleepybrett 7y ago
    Also clearly art, not a threat, not misinformation. In bad taste, probably. Not a call to action.
  - rudedogg 7y ago
    > The kathy griffin image was a twitter post, not a facebook post. The article didn't really say, but I assume the bans are considered based on all their activity, not just Facebook. > And while that was not a good post, that was a single incident. The Convington Catholic School thing was another issue. Probably worse in that it was kind of a call to action: https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086932616392011776 https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086932616392011776 I think comedians especially should get a lot of slack, but I'd say this fits the bill for being "dangerous" based on the article. My point is that this won't be viewed as being fair no matter what Facebook does, and rules like these allow you to easily target basically anyone. I don't know the answer, especially when you're an international company. I do think it's going to cause more political animosity though.
isostatic 7y ago
thecanary springs to mind. Not sure it's as bad as infowars though
drak0n1c 7y ago
ChapoTrapHouse routinely incites its followers toward being OK with harrassment, property crime, and violence with their class warfare rants and advocating for mass property redistribution. They aren't on FB though.

jdlyga 7y ago

Louis Farrakhan is leftist, right?

checkyoursudo 7y ago
While I have no definitive answer, Farrakhan to me has mostly seemed like an extremist who doesn't neatly fit into the (probably overly simplistic) right-left dichotomy.
novacole 7y ago
His politics are more closely aligned with the right. In fact I can’t think of one thing that’s liberal about him.

neuronexmachina 7y ago

Their criteria from the article: > The Facebook spokesperson said such factors include whether the person or organization has ever called for violence against individuals based on race, ethnicity, or national origin; whether the person has been identified with a hateful ideology; whether they use hate speech or slurs in their about section on their social media profiles; and whether they have had pages or groups removed from Facebook for violating hate speech rules.

lubesGordi 7y ago
The reason it's bogus is because there are TONS of people who talk about wanting to kill so called neo-nazis on facebook and they sure aren't getting kicked off. I have many friends who have said something to the effect within the past few years. To hate a hate group is completely acceptable.