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What people want to hear is there is none, and there never will be. Even that isn’t enough, but at least there is some legal recourse.

by AJ007 7y ago

icxa 7y ago
We need to stop relying on the assertions Big Tech make about themselves, and work towards regulation. What most viewers saw during the Facebook congressional hearing was woefully out of touch, forgive me for using this phrase “old white guys” questioning Mark with many facepalm-able moments. But the house hearing, which includes 40 representatives from the Millennial generation, who grew up on tech, asked much better questions. It just got swallowed up by the news cycle because the Manafort Raid was happening at the same time as hearing about the Cambridge Analytica scandal was occuring. All of this is still new. Banking, Finance, Real Estate, those are all well regulated at this point and arguably much more sophisticated or complex. The situation we have now with the Googles, Amazons, Microsoft, Facebooks of the world packaging up our metadata, combining it with other third party data, training AI, etc is all new, and those who are knowledgeable about it are just now making it into congress, so I am optimistic we will start to see real regulation on these shameful business practices soon. Roger McNamee had an excellent conversation on the Sam Harris podcast recently about all of this. It was a very good conversation and one I highly recommend listening to.
TheIronYuppie 7y ago
Can you say more? Like there is none what? If there are any changes to this doc - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/compliance/gdpr-dsr-visual-studio-family https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/compliance/gd... - you would be able to check that immediately, and we would never change our data collection policy without changing that document... It's the law! Disclosure: I work at Azure on machine learning but not VS Code
- ionised 7y ago
  He means no telemetry. None whatsoever. At the very least a default opt-out.
  - TheIronYuppie 7y ago
    You got it! https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-disable-telemetry-reporting https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-di... (we ask both during install, and you can disable at any time)
- AJ007 7y ago
  "We specifically make the UE4 EULA apply perpetually so that when you obtain a version under a given EULA, you can stay on that version and operate under that EULA forever if you choose." https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1083409194479505410 https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/108340919447950541...

What people want to hear is there is none, and there never will be. Even that isn’t enough, but at least there is some legal recourse.

by AJ007 7y ago

What people want to hear is there is none, and there never will be. Even that isn’t enough, but at least there is some legal recourse.

icxa 7y ago

We need to stop relying on the assertions Big Tech make about themselves, and work towards regulation. What most viewers saw during the Facebook congressional hearing was woefully out of touch, forgive me for using this phrase “old white guys” questioning Mark with many facepalm-able moments. But the house hearing, which includes 40 representatives from the Millennial generation, who grew up on tech, asked much better questions. It just got swallowed up by the news cycle because the Manafort Raid was happening at the same time as hearing about the Cambridge Analytica scandal was occuring. All of this is still new. Banking, Finance, Real Estate, those are all well regulated at this point and arguably much more sophisticated or complex. The situation we have now with the Googles, Amazons, Microsoft, Facebooks of the world packaging up our metadata, combining it with other third party data, training AI, etc is all new, and those who are knowledgeable about it are just now making it into congress, so I am optimistic we will start to see real regulation on these shameful business practices soon. Roger McNamee had an excellent conversation on the Sam Harris podcast recently about all of this. It was a very good conversation and one I highly recommend listening to.

TheIronYuppie 7y ago

Can you say more? Like there is none what? If there are any changes to this doc - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/compliance/gdpr-dsr-visual-studio-family https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/compliance/gd... - you would be able to check that immediately, and we would never change our data collection policy without changing that document... It's the law! Disclosure: I work at Azure on machine learning but not VS Code

ionised 7y ago
He means no telemetry. None whatsoever. At the very least a default opt-out.
- TheIronYuppie 7y ago
  You got it! https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-disable-telemetry-reporting https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-di... (we ask both during install, and you can disable at any time)
AJ007 7y ago
"We specifically make the UE4 EULA apply perpetually so that when you obtain a version under a given EULA, you can stay on that version and operate under that EULA forever if you choose." https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1083409194479505410 https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/108340919447950541...