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Why would it be outdated? It has 200+ miles range.

RankingMember 8y ago
I don't think it's outdated, but it just doesn't have the features (semi-autonomous driving, slick minimalist if controversially-so interior, OTA updates, etc.) you get with a Tesla. It's like comparing an original 2007 Apple iPhone to a 2007 Palm Centro.
- dmitrygr 8y ago
  Random and uncontrollable shuffling of the software in your car is a FEATURE?
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  - RankingMember 8y ago
    I would definitely consider having your braking/acceleration/navigation/security upgraded without a visit to a service center a feature.
    - dmitrygr 8y ago
      Until a bug disables them, Yes. Raise your hand if you know of someone who writes bug free code.
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      - willhk 8y ago
        Yes, nobody writes bug free code and that's why having a car that can't update software OTA is a good thing. Got it. I do enjoy knowing that if a bug crops up I have to schedule an appointment at the dealership and take a day off work to drop it off to be upgraded instead of waking up to a bugfix having been already deployed.
      - RankingMember 8y ago
        This is why they don't upgrade everyone at once. People in the early-access program get the updates earlier and do so with the understanding that there may be bugs.
      - chc 8y ago
        This is a non sequitur. Your car still has code in it, whether or not it can get OTA updates.
  - jsight 8y ago
    I wish it was more controllable, but yeah, it is a feature. There are lots of almost unfixable bugs in my non-Tesla's software stack, but they don't improve. The situation for the rest of the industry is that they are adding increasingly large amounts of software driven features but are even worse off than Tesla's occasionally buggy updates.
- newsoul2019 8y ago
  Is semi-autonomous driving really that big a deal to people? Driving in the carpool lane is the "killer app" for me. The only situations where I would trust self-autonomous driving are: (a) 5mph bumper to bumper traffic and (b) I-5 between SF and LA on a dry, clear day with little traffic around.
  - luckydata 8y ago
    It's damn great. It has transformed the way I deal with traffic.
  - jsight 8y ago
    TACC is definitely a really nice thing to have. I'm a little less convinced by the stuff in the FSD package above it.
  - chaostheory 8y ago
    For me the killer feature is not having to maintain the car every 3 months like a ICE car. I also save a ton of time not having to get gas every week.
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- Gibbon1 8y ago
  A friend described his bolt as 'a car'. As in it's a car. That's it. It' the type of car that would appeal to they type of person that would buy a Camry. Except those people avoid GM products.

I don't think it's outdated, but it just doesn't have the features (semi-autonomous driving, slick minimalist if controversially-so interior, OTA updates, etc.) you get with a Tesla. It's like comparing an original 2007 Apple iPhone to a 2007 Palm Centro.

dmitrygr 8y ago
Random and uncontrollable shuffling of the software in your car is a FEATURE?
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- RankingMember 8y ago
  I would definitely consider having your braking/acceleration/navigation/security upgraded without a visit to a service center a feature.
  - dmitrygr 8y ago
    Until a bug disables them, Yes. Raise your hand if you know of someone who writes bug free code.
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    - willhk 8y ago
      Yes, nobody writes bug free code and that's why having a car that can't update software OTA is a good thing. Got it. I do enjoy knowing that if a bug crops up I have to schedule an appointment at the dealership and take a day off work to drop it off to be upgraded instead of waking up to a bugfix having been already deployed.
    - RankingMember 8y ago
      This is why they don't upgrade everyone at once. People in the early-access program get the updates earlier and do so with the understanding that there may be bugs.
    - chc 8y ago
      This is a non sequitur. Your car still has code in it, whether or not it can get OTA updates.
- jsight 8y ago
  I wish it was more controllable, but yeah, it is a feature. There are lots of almost unfixable bugs in my non-Tesla's software stack, but they don't improve. The situation for the rest of the industry is that they are adding increasingly large amounts of software driven features but are even worse off than Tesla's occasionally buggy updates.
newsoul2019 8y ago
Is semi-autonomous driving really that big a deal to people? Driving in the carpool lane is the "killer app" for me. The only situations where I would trust self-autonomous driving are: (a) 5mph bumper to bumper traffic and (b) I-5 between SF and LA on a dry, clear day with little traffic around.
- luckydata 8y ago
  It's damn great. It has transformed the way I deal with traffic.
- jsight 8y ago
  TACC is definitely a really nice thing to have. I'm a little less convinced by the stuff in the FSD package above it.
- chaostheory 8y ago
  For me the killer feature is not having to maintain the car every 3 months like a ICE car. I also save a ton of time not having to get gas every week.
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Gibbon1 8y ago
A friend described his bolt as 'a car'. As in it's a car. That's it. It' the type of car that would appeal to they type of person that would buy a Camry. Except those people avoid GM products.