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Tesla released their accident statistics, and their cars have a significantly lower rate of accidents when Autopilot is engaged. To me, that seems to indicate

Tesla released their accident statistics, and their cars have a significantly lower rate of accidents when Autopilot is engaged. To me, that seems to indicate Autopilot is a net safety gain, despite not being perfect.

Judgmentality 7y ago
Your response is not unreasonable, but rather than explain why their latest report is almost certainly misleading (it's complicated, and similar to the previous NHTSA study, data is missing so while I assume Tesla is misrepresenting the data as they have always done I cannot prove it today), I'll just say there is indisputable evidence that Teslas get into more fatal accidents than other cars. https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-rate-is-more-than-triple-that-of-luxury-cars-and-likely-even-higher-433670ddde17 https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-r...
- unityByFreedom 7y ago
  > while I assume Tesla is misrepresenting the data as they have always done I cannot prove it today Here's one way. Highway driving is already significantly safer per mile than local roads, > The grim statistics provided by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration also show that drivers on rural roads die at a rate 2.5 times higher per mile traveled than on urban highways. Urban drivers travel twice as many miles but suffer close to half the fatal accidents. [1] That explains away Musk's "AP is twice as safe" comment. It's only twice as safe because people generally only activate it on the highway, which is already 2.5 times safer! [1] https://www.npr.org/2009/11/29/120716625/the-deadliest-roads-are-rural https://www.npr.org/2009/11/29/120716625/the-deadliest-roads...
dcole2929 7y ago
>Tesla released their accident statistics, and their cars have a significantly lower rate of accidents when Autopilot is engaged. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether people have died due to false claims about the ability of Tesla's autopilot. The cars may be safer, but if 1 person died or 100 people died because Musk/Tesla lied about autopilot that is a problem. It doesn't matter how many other accidents their cars have or have not been in.
mactrey 7y ago
Probably has more to do with the fact that people preferentially engage Autopilot when road conditions are fair to good.

Judgmentality 7y ago

Your response is not unreasonable, but rather than explain why their latest report is almost certainly misleading (it's complicated, and similar to the previous NHTSA study, data is missing so while I assume Tesla is misrepresenting the data as they have always done I cannot prove it today), I'll just say there is indisputable evidence that Teslas get into more fatal accidents than other cars. https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-rate-is-more-than-triple-that-of-luxury-cars-and-likely-even-higher-433670ddde17 https://medium.com/@MidwesternHedgi/teslas-driver-fatality-r...

unityByFreedom 7y ago
> while I assume Tesla is misrepresenting the data as they have always done I cannot prove it today Here's one way. Highway driving is already significantly safer per mile than local roads, > The grim statistics provided by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration also show that drivers on rural roads die at a rate 2.5 times higher per mile traveled than on urban highways. Urban drivers travel twice as many miles but suffer close to half the fatal accidents. [1] That explains away Musk's "AP is twice as safe" comment. It's only twice as safe because people generally only activate it on the highway, which is already 2.5 times safer! [1] https://www.npr.org/2009/11/29/120716625/the-deadliest-roads-are-rural https://www.npr.org/2009/11/29/120716625/the-deadliest-roads...

dcole2929 7y ago

>Tesla released their accident statistics, and their cars have a significantly lower rate of accidents when Autopilot is engaged. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether people have died due to false claims about the ability of Tesla's autopilot. The cars may be safer, but if 1 person died or 100 people died because Musk/Tesla lied about autopilot that is a problem. It doesn't matter how many other accidents their cars have or have not been in.

mactrey 7y ago

Probably has more to do with the fact that people preferentially engage Autopilot when road conditions are fair to good.