There are a lot of different views on the left, but the view of the Democratic leadership is unambiguously for border security. Abolishing ICE is different fro

There are a lot of different views on the left, but the view of the Democratic leadership is unambiguously for border security. Abolishing ICE is different from wanting open borders. You can disagree with the methods and still believe in the mission - much of the current administration’s stance is an attempt to conflate the methods they have chosen with the concept of border security, as painfully evidenced by the 2018 shutdown meeting between Pelosi, Schumer and Trump. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/11/trump-meets-with-pelosi-and-schumer-on-border-wall-and-government-shutdown.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/11/trump-meets-with-pelosi-and-... ICE is a relatively new organization, that many believe does not have a great track record of either effectiveness or respect for human rights. There are many ideas of how we would accomplish border security more humanely. https://pelosi.house.gov/issues/immigration https://pelosi.house.gov/issues/immigration > I guess Hillary Clinton wouldn’t have counted in 2014 either? No, the clear forerunner and a senator would count. Herman Cain wouldn’t have spoken for the Republican Party though.