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People fleeing for their lives may not have access to paperwork. In fact, the authorities denying people access to paperwork- such as birth records and legal st

People fleeing for their lives may not have access to paperwork. In fact, the authorities denying people access to paperwork- such as birth records and legal status- is almost certainly evidence for approving an asylum claim in the first place.

mc32 8y ago
Do you think the instances “fleeing” is the bulk of the cases? Mostly it’s economic migrants. We know if they were fleeing they could just stay in Mexico or if not from The Americas, in a neighboring country. Also, in many of those countries there isn’t a tradition of adoption, so that would be pretty rare.
- roywiggins 8y ago
  It's not that uncommon. > Many of the migrants are asylum seekers fleeing political violence in their countries of origin, especially Congo and Cameroon. Many of the Congolese lived for years in Angola, where they learned enough Portuguese to get by in Spanish. Angola last year expelled more than 300,000 Congolese refugees. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-of-africans-tried-to-reach-the-united-states-now-theyre-stuck-in-mexico/2019/04/16/6ebb7b48-5fa4-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-o...
  - mc32 8y ago
    Angola is one of the up and coming countries in Africa. That people are leaving it indicates it’s more an economic calculus than persecution.
    - roywiggins 8y ago
      > The destruction in Kapende, where no house remains occupied or intact, marked the culmination of three days of violence in Lucapa, a sprawling mining town in the northeast surrounded by some of the world’s richest diamond fields. > About 300,000 Congolese have fled Angola in the last few weeks, many of them in response to the violence in Lucapa at the beginning of October. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-angola-drc-violence-insight/three-days-of-violence-that-emptied-an-angolan-town-of-congolese-idUSKCN1MZ1UI https://www.reuters.com/article/us-angola-drc-violence-insig...
    - dragonwriter 8y ago
      > Angola is one of the up and coming countries in Africa. That people are leaving it indicates it’s more an economic calculus than persecution The US was the up-and-coming nation of the Western hemisphere for a long time while engaging in systematic persecution of blacks, Native Americans, and, at various times and places, other groups. Aggregate economic development and systematic persecution of selected groups which justifies flight in reasonable fear aren't mutually incompatible.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > Do you think the instances “fleeing” is the bulk of the cases? By definition, it's 100% of the cases that would be legitimate before validating the family relationship.

mc32 8y ago

Do you think the instances “fleeing” is the bulk of the cases? Mostly it’s economic migrants. We know if they were fleeing they could just stay in Mexico or if not from The Americas, in a neighboring country. Also, in many of those countries there isn’t a tradition of adoption, so that would be pretty rare.

roywiggins 8y ago
It's not that uncommon. > Many of the migrants are asylum seekers fleeing political violence in their countries of origin, especially Congo and Cameroon. Many of the Congolese lived for years in Angola, where they learned enough Portuguese to get by in Spanish. Angola last year expelled more than 300,000 Congolese refugees. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-of-africans-tried-to-reach-the-united-states-now-theyre-stuck-in-mexico/2019/04/16/6ebb7b48-5fa4-11e9-bf24-db4b9fb62aa2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/hundreds-o...
- mc32 8y ago
  Angola is one of the up and coming countries in Africa. That people are leaving it indicates it’s more an economic calculus than persecution.
  - roywiggins 8y ago
    > The destruction in Kapende, where no house remains occupied or intact, marked the culmination of three days of violence in Lucapa, a sprawling mining town in the northeast surrounded by some of the world’s richest diamond fields. > About 300,000 Congolese have fled Angola in the last few weeks, many of them in response to the violence in Lucapa at the beginning of October. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-angola-drc-violence-insight/three-days-of-violence-that-emptied-an-angolan-town-of-congolese-idUSKCN1MZ1UI https://www.reuters.com/article/us-angola-drc-violence-insig...
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > Angola is one of the up and coming countries in Africa. That people are leaving it indicates it’s more an economic calculus than persecution The US was the up-and-coming nation of the Western hemisphere for a long time while engaging in systematic persecution of blacks, Native Americans, and, at various times and places, other groups. Aggregate economic development and systematic persecution of selected groups which justifies flight in reasonable fear aren't mutually incompatible.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> Do you think the instances “fleeing” is the bulk of the cases? By definition, it's 100% of the cases that would be legitimate before validating the family relationship.